Do Dremora have six and reproduce : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:18 pm

In Oblivion, Kathuet (the dremora) has a brother. Also, wasn't a daedric prince born by an altmer woman having six with a bull?

Then, wouldn't Dremora be able to have six and reproduce, considering all of the stuff in Oblivion when they talk about relations?

And, would Dremora be able to have six with mortals and reproduce?

Just a question. An answer would be nice.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:26 pm

Most of the daedra stuff about six isn't literal six, it's more an idea of strong bonds, links and transformations, but when you start talking about guys like Sanguine, then it might turn literal :hubbahubba:

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:22 pm

Daedra can have six with mortals in the same way humans can have six with...well, I'm not going to elaborate. However, I don't think there is any literal biological conception, either among their own kind or with mortals. Any procreation among the Dremora is probably not the same as procreation as we think of it, as Daedra are merely spirits who are recycled into mortal forms through the Dreemsleeve, if I remember correctly.

Because of this, I suppose the Dremora could form social hierarchies and even "families", but they'd probably be more akin to Vampire Clans - a close group of multiple Dremora, with no biological link.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:43 pm

Daedra can have six with mortals in the same way humans can have six with...well, I'm not going to elaborate. However, I don't think there is any literal biological conception, either among their own kind or with mortals. Any procreation among the Dremora is probably not the same as procreation as we think of it, as Daedra are merely spirits who are recycled into mortal forms through the Dreemsleeve, if I remember correctly.

Because of this, I suppose the Dremora could form social hierarchies and even "families", but they'd probably be more akin to Vampire Clans - a close group of multiple Dremora, with no biological link.

The Dreamsleeve is only for mortals of Nirn (which is a nice comfy place to wait while being recycled), opposed to the Daedric equivilent of their soul being cast into the Void for a varying amount of time with an absence of the senses (which is described by Daedra as not being a very nice experience).

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:50 pm

Banished to the waters of oblivion, they call that themselves

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:20 am

They have clans and hierarchies, but no parents or kids. because they can take the shape of anything they want, it is possible for them to impregnate mortals or be impregnated by them. but the children are mortal, not Daedra.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:52 pm

I believe lesser Daedra cannot reproduce but Daedric Princes can, for some reason. I assume it's because the Princes have some mortal or Anu-aligned aspect to themselves, which is partially based upon what we learn in Shivering Isles, although Sheogorath was a unique case and it's thus impossible to guess to what extent this applies to other Princes. ("This" being the reality that the prince Sheogorath uses a mortal body to contain his power. The CoC, I assume, can still sixually reproduce even while mantling Sheogorath. ALSO, we mustn't forget that Molag Bal had a daughter.)

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:26 am

If someone has a daughter it doesn't mean that it is his biological daughter.

"Sons and daughters of" should be read as associates of/associated with, especially insofar as this association was a conscious choice. -http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:59 pm

And, would Dremora be able to have six with mortals and reproduce?

Why would they want to? Mortals are to Dremora what deer are to mortals.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:52 pm

Why would they want to? Mortals are to Dremora what ~~deer~~ sheep are to mortals.

There's your explanation.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:01 pm

There's your explanation.

Not quite...mortals don't hunt sheep, do they? Dremora have (from their perspective) a hunter/prey relationship with mortals.

"Perhaps you find Scamps comic, and Vermai brutish.

How then do you imagine we view you humans?

You are the Prey, and we are the Huntsmen."
- Spirit of the Daedra.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:47 pm

"After I kill you, I will [censored] your corpse. Don't worry. I'll be gentle." - Anhaedra, Maar Gan Temple, on Taunt the Daedra

But it's obviously going to be embarrassing if the Dremora involved is found out.

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Slightly more serious. The problem in answering the question if Dremora have six or not is that we'd need to catch a Dremora in the act. This is not something that I think will ever happen.

We do however know the Daedra can have something that resembles a love affair, Mehrunes and his Dark Seducer Paramour, Molag Grunda and her Atronach consort, Nomeg Gwai. While it could all be platonic, considering the volatile natures of the Daedra, I'd find it odd if it wasn't in some part physical.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:48 pm

"After I kill you, I will [censored] your corpse. Don't worry. I'll be gentle." - Anhaedra, Maar Gan Temple, on Taunt the Daedra

But it's obviously going to be embarrassing if the Dremora involved is found out.

Anhaedra isn't exactly a typical Dremora, being bound to the mortal plane and constant insults from mortals, so it's not surprising that he's a little off in his viewpoints. It's often said that [censored] is about power, so that's not surprising either. Note he won't do it while alive, but as a act of contempt on mortals, not incongruent with the Dremora view. In any case it's nothing close to reproduction, relationship or family.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:22 pm

"After I kill you, I will [censored] your corpse. Don't worry. I'll be gentle." - Anhaedra, Maar Gan Temple, on Taunt the Daedra

He's like an online multiplayer character; he gets insulted constantly, he respawns when he dies, and he performs sixual acts on those whom he kills.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:09 pm

Well, you can probably observe the same odd view points of people romantically involved with sheep.

I'd say reproduction and family are out of the question. It's something the Aedra had to do to survive. I won't be necessary for Dremora. But that doesn't exclude relationships and six. I've shown they're atleast capable of both in my previous post.

He's like an online multiplayer character; he gets insulted constantly, he respawns when he dies, and he performs sixual acts on those whom he kills.

Ah. Good old Counter-Strike 1.3 days.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:07 pm

We do however know the Daedra can have something that resembles a love affair, Mehrunes and his Dark Seducer Paramour, Molag Grunda and her Atronach consort, Nomeg Gwai. While it could all be platonic, considering the volatile natures of the Daedra, I'd find it odd if it wasn't in some part physical.

It's possible that six (in the biological sense) isn't the vehicle of pleasure, though. There could be some other sort of activity that conveys the same sort of intermingling/intimacy/pleasure - but not involving physical intercourse or physical contact.

Given that the Daedra are not at all like mortals, there is no reason to assume they have the same biological drives, sensory perceptions (pleasure nerves), and what-have-you that mortals have.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:35 pm

The Dreamsleeve is only for mortals of Nirn (which is a nice comfy place to wait while being recycled), opposed to the Daedric equivilent of their soul being cast into the Void for a varying amount of time with an absence of the senses (which is described by Daedra as not being a very nice experience).

And yet, nobody has a clue where the dreamsleeve is? I've asked before and people have said that it doesn't lie in any dimension or plane or netherworld, which I find hard to believe.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:52 am

And yet, nobody has a clue where the dreamsleeve is? I've asked before and people have said that it doesn't lie in any dimension or plane or netherworld, which I find hard to believe.

It's not necessarily like Oblivion or the Aedric planets. In an attempt to help you understand, I'll say it doesn't lie in any KNOWN dimension.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:56 pm

The dremora live in places called http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Lust_Keep, what else would they be doing there?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:46 pm

The dremora live in places called http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Lust_Keep, what else would they be doing there?

1) the tower names aren't really given in-game, are they?
2) lust doesn't necessarily need to pertain to six. E.g. "lust for power" "lust for destruction." In a way, lust itself can be a destructive emotion. Or - and I shudder to think that the devs would actually do this - it could be a reference to the classical "Seven deadly sins."

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:41 am

1) the tower names aren't really given in-game, are they?

Where did you think I got it from?

2) lust doesn't necessarily need to pertain to six. E.g. "lust for power" "lust for destruction." In a way, lust itself can be a destructive emotion.

It isn't called The Lust For Power Keep or the Lust For Destruction Keep, so I guess were talking about "lust lust" here.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:00 pm

Where did you think I got it from?

*sigh* That's probably the CS name for the tower style. I don't recall ever seeing any name distinction between the pre-fabricated towers. There's just the "Rending Halls" and "Corridor of Dark Salvation" and whatnot that are consistent names regardless of the pre-made "portal world."

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:22 pm

*sigh* That's probably the CS name for the tower style. I don't recall ever seeing any name distinction between the pre-fabricated towers. There's just the "Rending Halls" and "Corridor of Dark Salvation" and whatnot that are consistent names regardless of the pre-made "portal world."

The names are used in game. You can see them whenever you re-enter the tower from a side hall, or on teleport pads in the tower. The "Lust Keep" tower always has teleport pads, and you will see it there: "Runed Portal to the Lust Keep".

But I think "Lust Keep" does not refer to lust as a procreative drive but rather as a deadly sin.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:24 am

*sigh* That's probably the CS name for the tower style. I don't recall ever seeing any name distinction between the pre-fabricated towers. There's just the "Rending Halls" and "Corridor of Dark Salvation" and whatnot that are consistent names regardless of the pre-made "portal world."

You're so in denial!

I mean... just look at the architecture of the tower. It's a shaft with a basin at the bottom that squirts all the way up until it leaves the inside through a hole in a fleshy dome. After you struggle upwards, by means of a long and hard route, being intermittently attacked by male demons, some naked, some in dresses, some in kinky outfits swinging their clubs at you, you take the ball out and everything goes white...

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:46 am

You're so in denial!

I mean... just look at the architecture of the tower. It's a shaft with a basin at the bottom that squirts all the way up until it leaves the inside through a hole in a fleshy dome. After you struggle upwards, by means of a long and hard route, being intermittently attacked by male demons, some naked, some in dresses, some in kinky outfits swinging their clubs at you, you take the ball out and everything goes white...

You'd make Sigmund Freud proud.