Dremora?

Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:32 am

How do dremora actually live?

It seems they eat but they do not sleep, and they have military lives but until they are the top ranks no individual identity.

What would their day to day lives be like? What would they do when not fighting?
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:15 pm

They seem to like to torture humans, so they might spend their free time doing that.
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Killah Bee
 
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:11 am

It's an interesting question; I never saw the Aureals or Mazken eat or sleep. But how do they get the energy to move around?
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:34 pm

Eating and sleeping is left to mortals...
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:39 pm

Lesser Daedra, like Dremora's, are just parts of the larger entities of the gods they serve (though this idea has been disputed, it is still my personal view), and as such they don't really have a will and therefore don't do much of anything in their free time
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:17 pm

Lesser Daedra, like Dremora's, are just parts of the larger entities of the gods they serve (though this idea has been disputed, it is still my personal view), and as such they don't really have a will and therefore don't do much of anything in their free time
That should really be tagged with a BATW. Besides which, I doubt you could get any Morrowind or Battlespire player to agree with you on it.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:05 pm

Dremora are intelligent, emotional things. I'm sure they can find things to do. All they really need is a few stones and a couple of Scribs... if they read their Homilies, which I'm sure some must have.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:15 am

Lesser Daedra, like Dremora's, are just parts of the larger entities of the gods they serve (though this idea has been disputed, it is still my personal view), and as such they don't really have a will and therefore don't do much of anything in their free time


I thought that the Dremora hadn't always served Dagon? And that their loyalty shouldn't be taken for granted? Surely that suggests independent will?
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:00 pm

That should really be tagged with a BATW. Besides which, I doubt you could get any Morrowind or Battlespire player to agree with you on it.

BATW?

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/spirit_daedra.shtml
It explains their loyalty, among other things.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:55 am

BATW?


Boring And Therefore Wrong
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:13 pm

Lesser Daedra, like Dremora's, are just parts of the larger entities of the gods they serve (though this idea has been disputed, it is still my personal view), and as such they don't really have a will and therefore don't do much of anything in their free time

What about the dremora in Oblivion in Mancar Camres paradise that strikes a deal with you to free his beastie. He must have some sort of free will, or would not be able to do that.

Also, there were some Daedra you could talk in in Morrowind, they were like

'Buzz of mortal, bad enough I have to sit around and guard this rock, but also I have to deal with talking to you? Not likely.'

And in battle spire you conversed with Daedra, although most ofthe Daedra you talked to were the princes. There were still some lesser Daedra.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:09 pm

What about the dremora in Oblivion in Mancar Camres paradise that strikes a deal with you to free his beastie. He must have some sort of free will, or would not be able to do that.


You must have had an internal argument or two or been torn between two opinions. You can consider it something like that like that were different Daedra take up the different sides of the argument and settle it with violence, schemery all depended on the strength of their relative arguments.

You can apply a similair pattern but then with unconscious thought, self preservation, instincts, gut feeling, multi-tasking, ect.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:36 am

They're immortal but obviously not immune to damage and fatigue. I bet most lesser Daedra do need to eat, sleep and relax occasionally. The fact we never see the Dremora do these things is a game mechanic.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:09 am

I bet most lesser Daedra do need to eat, sleep and relax occasionally.
    "However, sleep is a normal experience for mortals. It is NOT a normal experience for an immortal. Suffice it to say that it is as close to the terror and despair of death as an immortal can come."http://www.imperial-library.info/tsobs/part06.shtml

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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:40 am

Well then I stand corrected.

It seemed logical to me that having a mortal shape, they may share mortal habits. I was wrong.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:02 am

They're immortal but obviously not immune to damage and fatigue.

Remember, though, that dead Daedra are reborn later on in their plane if "killed", so they are still immortal, really.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:10 am

Remember, though, that dead Daedra are reborn later on in their plane if "killed", so they are still immortal, really.

Well, the thing with Daedric immortality from what I understand is that Daedra don't have a hardwired connection to the bodies they incarnate in, which is what most mortals have to deal with. If a Daedra dies, the spirit goes back to the Aether from whence it came to regather itself.

In Oblivion it touched upon an interesting subject, and this is possibly one of the only times I've ever been able to use Oblivion as a reference to something of relevant depth. In becoming a Lich, the main difficulty for the necromancer attempting the feat is to tear his essence from his or her physical body, as that natural attraction is rather deep-seated, much unlike that of a Daedra. So difficult in fact that the necromancer has to leapfrog his or her soul onto an inanimate object before he or she can fully free it in the ascension.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:58 am

The materials bodies are subject to damage and fatigue. The souls are immortal, indestructible.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:58 am

The materials bodies are subject to damage and fatigue. The souls are immortal, indestructible.


No different than the "Mortals" of NIRN. It's just that the mortals forget while they are in the dreamsleeve, while the lesser Daedra (who knows about the princes) are aware of their time in the void.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:25 am

No different than the "Mortals" of NIRN. It's just that the mortals forget while they are in the dreamsleeve, while the lesser Daedra (who knows about the princes) are aware of their time in the void.

Yes, but that small difference is really a crucial difference in what separates an immortal from a mortal. Really, the body and even the soul itself is completely irrelevant when you're talking about immortality, if the consciousness is lost and the soul is wiped clean of everything that made it the person it used to be then the person was mortal. If I'm striving for immortality, it really makes no difference to me whether my body or soul stay intact, but if I lose the thing that makes me me (memories, consciousness, etc) then I'm just as far up a creek as everybody else...
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:54 am

I don't know if mortals reincarnate though. If they don't, then the traditional view on the "Nerevarine" is given all the more potency.

TES really is just the paradise of the dualist.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:16 am

Remember, though, that dead Daedra are reborn later on in their plane if "killed", so they are still immortal, really.


I was referring to their physical forms...those forms are easily damaged or destroyed by mortal champions, much more easily than those of the Greater Daedra.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:26 am

    "However, sleep is a normal experience for mortals. It is NOT a normal experience for an immortal. Suffice it to say that it is as close to the terror and despair of death as an immortal can come."http://www.imperial-library.info/tsobs/part06.shtml


Interesting ... it doesn't say that they don't sleep - in fact, it confirms that they do - but just not regularly.

They also eat, unless "your flesh tastes sweet" is a metaphorical quote.

Remember, though, that dead Daedra are reborn later on in their plane if "killed", so they are still immortal, really.


Without wishing to give too much away, it is a plotline in Shivering Isles.

I don't know if mortals reincarnate though. If they don't, then the traditional view on the "Nerevarine" is given all the more potency.

TES really is just the paradise of a dualist.


You know, I never considered that - what does happen to mortals on Nirn when they die?

("No Sillicon Heaven? Then where do all the calculators go?" - Red Dwarf)

If everyone reincarnates, then it would be strange for it to be so many centuries before Nerevar is reborn ...? :shrug:
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:18 am

    "However, sleep is a normal experience for mortals. It is NOT a normal experience for an immortal. Suffice it to say that it is as close to the terror and despair of death as an immortal can come."http://www.imperial-library.info/tsobs/part06.shtml


That's out of context. It's not about sleep, but about the feeling of death for a Daedra being anologous to the feeling of what sleep is for a mortal. It is something you can wake up from again once you've rested enough, but it's not a pleasant experience.

Imago Storm: You are correct in general. Actually, the incantation of the neonymic drains the vital force from an immortal, forcing him to follow that force into Oblivion. There one abides until the vital force is replenished. The experience is somewhat anologous to sleep for mortals. However, sleep is a normal experience for mortals. It is NOT a normal experience for an immortal. Suffice it to say that it is as close to the terror and despair of death as an immortal can come.
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Post » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:27 am

Interesting ... it doesn't say that they don't sleep - in fact, it confirms that they do - but just not regularly.

They also eat, unless "your flesh tastes sweet" is a metaphorical quote.
Without wishing to give too much away, it is a plotline in Shivering Isles.
You know, I never considered that - what does happen to mortals on Nirn when they die?

("No Sillicon Heaven? Then where do all the calculators go?" - Red Dwarf)

If everyone reincarnates, then it would be strange for it to be so many centuries before Nerevar is reborn ...? :shrug:

He might have been reborn somewhere else. Akavir. As a tree, perhaps, or a goblin.
Neither of those would, or could, have been the Nerevarine, so it doesn't really matter.
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