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Its that simple. I trust you bethesda, dont treat us as criminal as you have always done ( *cough ubisoft * )

Cool story bro.

I don't know, I do see why companies want to make sure people actually buy the game and not just loan it from a friend, crack it and that way gets it free.

If bethesda is using a DRM, it is probably gonna use steam, and all that you have to do for that is create an account you don't even have to be online when you play, I don't think they will do anything as drastic as what Ubisoft did, Ubisoft only put that DRM in because someone released AC before the release date and it was torrented like crazy

Sounds plausible, and fine. I think steam actually has helped the PC marked quite a bit

Yes, thats why I trust Bethesda. I dont mind a small tiny drm but I dont wanna see a DRM such as you gotta stay always online to play .. SINGLEPLAYER?!, or install third party software (for example : GTA IV social network ) , or I can only install x times.

Oh god no, that would be terrible :S.. But honestly Bethasda haven't been bad with these things before, so I don't expect them to start now

I'd be really surprised if we see anything different to how every other one of Bethesda's games have been handled.

Because there is way to many companies out there who does that and it became a trend I guess to hurt the loyal customers and fans. Basically, I didnt see any DRM in oblivion or morrowind but you know times have changed since but I trust Bethesda.

Steam is okay with me.

yeh steam is pretty good, but it makes it a little bit more annoying to mod, because they practically hide the game files

I think it goes without saying that no securum should be allowed anywhere near the game. A reasonable DRM is expected - disc check and so on, but nothing crazy. There is NO DRM that can't be broke in one week flat (I think secorum took 5 days or so judging by when bioshock was spread all over the internet), if they want us to buy the game people should not be inconvenienced by the heavy DRM - it actually encourages people to downland a no drm version instead of preventing piracy (the same bioshock story - while people who bought it where calling support and swearing at their discs, people who downloaded it just went on playing after a quick install).
I'm going to buy Skyrim because I like TES series and want to support the developers, as well as because I like my games neatly packed on DVDs, and for some extra things - like map Oh, and maybe for dowloadable content if they make any, but not because I "can't pirate it, for it has drm" reason. People should be positively encouraged to do the right thing, not "herded" in to doing it... Mostly because the first method works long term, and the second continuously fails to modify the behavior, it's been proven over and over again.

No, i dont agree with steam. That would be really really stupid if they implement Steam into the retail version. I dont want install steam in order to play this game.. With all the problems of activation, buggy offline mode, etc etc., and it is a pain to mod.

Whatever, I've got a PS3.

I will not be forced to join Steam. If they do that, i will simply buy the console version instead.

I have Steam, and multiple games from steam. But right is right, and it is TOTAL BS that anyone is forced to use steam if they don't want to....I don't care about "1 time activation". If they don't want to install it on their systems, they shouldn't have to, period.

No, not really. It takes a bit more clicking and the files are in a bit deeper folder strucutre, but they are in no way hidden.



People who have installed Steam to Program Files folder in Vista or 7 may have problems with mods, but that's Windows' UAC, not a Steam issue. Otherwise modding is just as simple as with non-Steam version. I have hundreds of mods for Steam versions of Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and none of them had any problems with Steam. And the offline mode has been fixed, i've had Steam on offline mode on another computer for months without it throwing a fit.

As for DRM, if it is completely transparent to the user, i've no problems with it. So far all DRM have failed in this. Except Stardock's GOO.

You do realize that consoles are the ultimate form of DRM: completely closed systems. I'd take even Ubisoft's insanity over that.

I wouldn't, i bought Assassin's Creed 2 used for PS3 just because of that DRM. And all consoles as DRM have failed too, even Gamecube games, that were on a unique "mini-DVD" disc that only Gamecube used, were pirated :lmao: They just switched the machine to a type of case that could fit normal DVDs. All attempts to prevent piracy are doomed to fail, so why keep trying? Stardocks games have all been released without DRM, and they aren't bankrupt yet. Despite Elemental :lmao:

Do people really think that steam is any more functional at stopping piracy than a disk check/product key......snicker.

That's simply not true. You can borrow games from your friends, try that with DRM or Steam.
People are lending each other records, video casettes for decades and books for centuries. Off course publishers don't like it, but as long as you're not duplicating it's not illegal.

Consoles still don't go nazi about the fact that civilized human beings share things, so they are still way better than DRM.

Well alright, I may have used some needless hyperbole. I guess just about anything is better than UbiDRM. And by "ultimate" I don't mean to suggest that consoles are effective as DRM; just that a closed system is the logical conclusion of DRM. And also something that MS will likely try to establish on the PC as well with their recently announced "re-commitment" to PC gaming with Windows 8, despite their previous efforts in that vein having been casually crushed by Steam. But I digress.

Beth has always been smart with this stuff and it's worked well for them so there's no reason to assume they'll suddenly turn to anything that would inconvenience people who buy their games.

actually the stupid thing about Ubisofts DRM is that you could install the game on as many computers as you wanted and they could all play it, without the disk, you really can just loan it to a friend and they have the game as long as they are logged into your account

DRM does NOT reduce piracy.

it never will

it reduces sales FACT<<<<<
pirates will find ways to go around any and all safety features, short of selling us a game code and having the actual game on protected servers (like wow), and even then pirates find ways (private servers simulated servers...etc)

DRM means Dramatic [censored] Measures

beth has already turned to using DRM. Fallout NV. Gotta have steam for PC. Yes Obsidian developed it, but the steam thing was a Bethesda decision.