Dual Casting (Perk) - Bug or feature? : V

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:07 am

I tested the dual casting perk with interesting result.

I used the Lightning spell with two hands without the Perk, casting it on an friendly NPC. Than reload, take the perk and repeat. The damage was exactly the same. But more interesting: With the Perk, the powered spells cost around 50% more magicka.
Don't know if that is a bug and will be fixed. I hope. It would be ridiculous if that is working as intended. :confused:

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:53 am

I already found it wierd that dualcasting costed so much mana and didnt seem to do anny relevant damage increases. You might be on to something!

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:15 am

I hope that's not the case.

However, the main advantage for me to dual casting is stagger locking single opponents.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:42 am

This has been brought up, and I for one seriously am not playing my mage anymore before we get this patched.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:39 pm

Has this been confirmed as a bug? Looks I'll be using my left hand for something else from now on

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:34 am

It's still worth it for Destruction for Impact...

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:33 pm

It's still worth it for Destruction for Impact...

Is it really worth, 2 perks and 50% more magicka costs?
What about the other magic schools?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:19 am

If dual casting is increasing mana cost instead of damage that explains a lot of destruction complaints.

Has anyone tested the +damage perks?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:50 am

Guys do you have to do fisnish a quest to be able to dual cast or sothing? It may be just my computer but i can't dual wield a spell nor can i wield a spell in right hand. ?? How do you guys do it? the help says i have to use rigth or left click.. but only rigth click(left hand) works for me. Even when i click lelft mouse(rigth hand) it puts a spell in the left hand... any help plz =(.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:14 pm

totally misread op

:facepalm:

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:50 am

is that true? cause I already wondered why my spells feels so....uhm low damage? I'm nearly pure on a destruction path, when I throw 2 Firebolts it's the same damage like using 1 dual firebolt O.o just haven't thought about it...

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:59 pm

I use a fire+spark combo.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:54 am

I find the dual casting route to be helpfull, having now got the Impact perk. That extra bit of restbite & kiting time to put space between me & them as enemies stagger is a life saver at times.

However, i havent looked into that the dual cast uses allot more magicka, i'd assume that dual cast, powering up the spell, would simply mean that the magicka would add togher for the cost of 2 seperate spells(possibly with a little added).

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:34 am

I thought so... When i dual cast 2 of the same spell, i dont get any 'overcharge' effect, but if i use 2 different spells it does more damage.... Drains alot of mana.

Check into your Destruction Perks Bethesda~

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:15 am

This has been brought up, and I for one seriously am not playing my mage anymore before we get this patched.

Where has it been brought up? I would like to read more about it.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:01 am

Is it really worth, 2 perks and 50% more magicka costs?
What about the other magic schools?

It is actually, yes. It makes a massive difference

Probably my best perk

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:15 pm

I think there are definitely tons of issues with this game

Someone was saying earlier about how magicka isn't regenerating properly when fighting and I'm not sure the oakflesh perks are working properly either

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:51 am

I was experimenting with this last night, and indeed you get more bang for buck if you dual cast as separate spells. So if it's flames, then you press both mouse buttons, but just leave enough time to stop it turning into 'super' flames.

It's not great, but then remember in Oblivion, you had restoration spells that cost more but actually delivered less per mana point. It's a bit like how it's more cost effective to trade 10 pairs of boots that weigh 1 for 100 gold, than it is to keep hold of a magic sword that weighs 20 for 100 gold.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:40 pm

Noticed this a while ago. Mods will be my sanctuary.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:13 pm

It does not do the same damage, but just slightly more:

Seperate "Double handed" casting = 2x damage for 2x magicka
Dual-casting = 2.1x damage for 2.5x magicka

Keep in mind that dual-casting can also cause stagger with impact perk.

Now where dual-casting (and augmentation perks) fail are with the elemental runes and cloaks. 2.5x magicka for the exact same effect. (This makes me a sad panda @_@). It's clear that this game is another 4 months from completion, but they just had to release on the last binary day of the century...

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:28 am

1 hand spell that does 10 dmg for 10 mana
use it in 2 hands for 20 dmg and 20 mana cost
dualcast it for 22 dmg and 22 mana cost

The spell does the same amount of damage and takes the same amount of mana like normal spells. The only benefit of dualcast is that for timed things it will double + 10% bonus the time you summon your things and for damage spells it staggers enemies if you perked it ( if you didnt its a useles 1 perk waste )

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:47 pm

1 hand spell that does 10 dmg for 10 mana
use it in 2 hands for 20 dmg and 20 mana cost
dualcast it for 22 dmg and 22 mana cost

The spell does the same amount of damage and takes the same amount of mana like normal spells. The only benefit of dualcast is that for timed things it will double + 10% bonus the time you summon your things and for damage spells it staggers enemies if you perked it ( if you didnt its a useles 1 perk waste )

It's more like
1 hand spell that does 10 dmg for 10 mana
use it in 2 hands for 20 dmg and 20 mana cost
dualcast it for 22 dmg and 30 mana cost

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:10 pm

It's more like
1 hand spell that does 10 dmg for 10 mana
use it in 2 hands for 20 dmg and 20 mana cost
dualcast it for 22 dmg and 30 mana cost

Just enchant your gear and become a 0 mana user in two spell trees and it wont bother you anymore, We just perk dualcast for the more epic animation :flamethrower: and getting the stagnating perk in destruction tree.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:20 pm

Ok his may be a simple fix I don't know. I play ps3 and I noticed if i don't press the L1 and R1 buttons at the exact same time I do not dual cast. I still shoot magic out of both hands but they are not really combined. I have to press the buttons at the exact same time for it to dual fast.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:17 am

Ok his may be a simple fix I don't know. I play ps3 and I noticed if i don't press the L1 and R1 buttons at the exact same time I do not dual cast. I still shoot magic out of both hands but they are not really combined. I have to press the buttons at the exact same time for it to dual fast.

thats not a fix thats just a way of not using a perk you invested in a tree