Right, so what makes elder scrolls with fireballs and cat people more realistic than star wars?

Nothing. But Elder scrolls has its own reality. It's against this that realism has to be measured (which is something many people seem to be missing in the thread I admit). In physical combat, that reality is more like our own than it is like the one in Star Wars.

I fail to see how though. Like, what makes Elder Scrolls closer to our reality than star wars?

Probably the fact that there is no force in Elder Scrolls.

PS To avoid misunderstanding.. .I'm not saying they're closer or further from our reality than star wars. I'm saying our reality is closer to elder scrolls combat than the star wars reality is to elder scrolls combat.

Hmm since I only like warriors, I am going either two axes or two swords depending on how good duel wielding is.

So since Elder Scrolls has Magic instead of the force (A made up magic which has philosophy based off of real world religions), it makes it more real? I just don't understand how you can say, Oh it was done in star wars, but thats not real. But elder scrolls is more real so I don't want it done.

I just want the game to be fun. As long as its enjoyable, I'll weild 7 swords and 13 sheilds and shoot lasers from my eyes. I don't think that particularly sounds fun, but I won't know until I play. Duel wielding sounds fun to me so I'll use it. And if it turns out not to be, then Bethesda put in an awesome fix. I WON'T use it. and Ill probably still have lots of fun.

Edit: Well, I typed my post before I read your edit, but I think that actually made less sense to me. I dunno, ive been up 40ish hours so maybe i just read it wrong or something.

Lightsabers have all of their weight in the handle of the sword, since the blade is made of concentrated light, or a laser. The problem many find with wielding two longswords simultaneously is their weight, which would make attacking cumbersome and overall ineffective. This would be a non issue with only the wight of two handles.

I wonder how will they measure the characters competence in dualwielding (if at all) and whether one is able to dualwield everything dualwieldable from the get go.

lol I'll just say I want dual wielding too. One doesn't have to go to a fictional universe like Star Wars to see if it's realistic or not. There are plenty of very real arts that dual wield. That's why I found it weird that you brought Star Wars

This guy was dual weilding..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi

I'd love to see someone tell him he should stop cause it's unrealistic. :biggrin:

The point was to point out that neither are real but no one questions star wars. But then elder scrolls tries it and people are like, oh, thats not realistic. Well of course not. And then people are like, well I really mean its not believable in the context of the what reality is in a made up world even though that reality changes every so often on a whim, even sometimes in the same game and is often unconsistent but still its not realistic. And I think as long as its fun, then I got my 60 bucks worth.

Quote of the year.

I don t know why but dual weild remain me much of Torchlight.

Coolest duel wield ever but non jedi would find themselves limbless if they attempted it. lol.

I'll say this one last time as clearly as i possibly can.

Duel wielding does not always equal duel attack.

I can dual wield anything i can hold in one hand. 20lb dumbbells for instance. I might be able to hit you with either one but chances of me hitting you with both are much slimmer. If i can hold a longsword in one hand and a shield in the other and use either one independent of the other then that is no different then using another longsword in place of the shield and using either one independent of the other. It's not like a game where there is only one attack button and all attacks will be dual attacks. I guarantee you dual attacks are going to be special and finishing moves only.

Well.... dual weild IS DAMN REALISTIC, as long as you stay on the very lightweight. Renaissance swordplay, so as long as it remain as two toothpick (what i call Olimpyc swordplay) or a toothpic + a dagger, or at most a sinlgle handed weapon + a dagger its ok.

What is more worrysome is how they will implement it in the skill department assuming they still care about skill or/and attributes.

Also, for those who argue whether or not it will be practical ingame or not, I submit a few scenarios wherein duel-wielding would be helpful.
1: Stave and Weapon.(seen in one of the GI screenshots)
2:Enchanted weapons, utilizing useful effects in combination.(i.e. dagger 1 causes weakness to magic, dagger 2 has a damage health effect)
3:Shield+Spell/Stave.
4: Versatility(maybe a large, slow, heavy hitting weapon in one hand like a longsword/mace/axe along with a quick weapon like a dagger or shortsword. Not to mention spells)
5: Two Shields(if possible) for when attacking that enemy would just make it mad.

I've never seen two shields being used at once. Why not just use one big shield?

Yeah, yeah, two-handed shield. :down:

A shield per hand = epicness!!

Obviously two hand scyths, assuming its plausible..

You can be like Legolis fighting with 2 elvish fighting knives.

maybe even a tough defensive caster,

with 1 spell(alteration-defense/destro-touch spells mostly) + 1 shield. Unkillable!, but weak damage.

So many cool possibilities.

Long sword in one hand and short sword in the other. Musashi style!

I've been wondering for a while...do you think if you designate one hand for magic, would you only fight with your other hand in hand-to-hand combat? Same with a sword. If you just choose a one handed sword and leave the other, could you throw a random punch in with your blade attacks?

I've been wondering, will you no longer be able to cast a spell if you have got both a sword and a shield wielded?

It sounds like it.