dual weilding sets : V - Skyrim

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:51 am

*snip*

Next time just say hook swords. That's all you need.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:01 pm

Next time just say hook swords. That's all you need.

OMG hook swords are bad ass

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:58 pm

But I really don't like Dual Wielding weapons. It's stupid and unrealistic to me.

There are many forms of dual-wield weapons used in real life-combat throughout the ages.
In Wushu, the Chinese use dual weapons ranging from 2 sticks all the way through dual combat swords (knives, maces, axes, forks, etc)
In Europe in the 16th-17th centuries, you could buy a sword/dirk set, which was wielded at the same time during combat...

Not unrealistic at all, and very effective if you know how to fight with them.

...and just a quick edit to say dual-wield weapons do not reduce one's capability to defend. If you know how to use them, having 2 weapons is better than one weapon and one shield

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:10 am

OMG hook swords are bad ass

Agreed!

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:06 pm

It would be kewl to find a duel wielding set of weapons in game if not u could always make ur own.I plan on duelwielding daggers or shortsword and dagger combo assassin type weapon load out for me anyway :ninja:

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:36 pm

Wooooow...

That's just...a terrible, terrible extrapolation of the argument.

You argue that dual-weilding is unrealistic when it isn't and is used in reality in many applications but that doesn't 'feel real' to you? I think research is something that anyone should do about this, before assuming something is unrealistic. Magic does not actually exist as far as we know, however it can be treated in a believable manner. The same applies to anything in a fantasy setting. If, say, a wiry Dunmer were able to effectively wield two massive warhammers in battle and trounce anyone in their path without breaking a sweat, that would be unbelievable (see WoW), but two daggers, a long-sword and handaxe, a staff and mace, are all believable.

However, I think we'll find that dual-wielding is not simply a damage multiplier but will reduce defensive capabilities as well, so you may be able to do more damage, but you won't be as efficient at blocking. It can be balanced. On top of that, you don't have to make use of it in your game, at all, and if you come across an NPC dual-wielding you can laugh at them as you smash their skull in with your two-handed warhammer. Dual wielding may not be incredibly common, and whether you 'feel' it is realistic or not is irrelevant to the fact that it is 'real.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sai_%28weapon%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_sword

I don't think the question is whether or not dual-wielding ever happens. Obviously someone within the last 8000 years thought it was a good idea to use 2 swords instead of one. lol. There are styles and techniqus for it sure, and it is more plausible in Skyrim; the question is whether or not it feels like something that is practical. Most armies didn't use any sort of dual-wield technique. Some people prefer their game to feel more like Braveheart than Kill Bill. Should it be included? yes. Does everyone have to get excited and use it? no

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:07 pm

There are many forms of dual-wield weapons used in real life-combat throughout the ages.
In Wushu, the Chinese use dual weapons ranging from 2 sticks all the way through dual combat swords (knives, maces, axes, forks, etc)
In Europe in the 16th-17th centuries, you could buy a sword/dirk set, which was wielded at the same time during combat...

Not unrealistic at all, and very effective if you know how to fight with them.

...and just a quick edit to say dual-wield weapons do not reduce one's capability to defend. If you know how to use them, having 2 weapons is better than one weapon and one shield

I'm with you right until the part you say it's better than a weapon and a shield. Provided we're talking about same skill for both, the one with the shield will always have better defence. It's only natural. And defence is what matters most in real life where we don't have 300 hp to burn.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:48 pm

Short sword and dagger.

Classic Rogue combo.

May try a double summon combo just to see if that would work.

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:30 am

Yea, I cant wait to dual wield spells and finally feel like a real mage.

I just hope the spells have cool visual effects like Fable (yea I said it)

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:19 pm

If you know how to use them, having 2 weapons is better than one weapon and one shield

That would depend on your opponent's weapon. I don't care how skilled you are, your not going to effectively block a war-hammer with two blades.

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:25 am

I definitely like that they added it. Dual daggers may get a bit overpowered though. High damage enchantment, very fast speed, and two of them makes for a lethal combination if you get close enough.

Unless you are actively attacking [with a two handed weapon], your offhand would be free at your side. If that were true, then what would be the point in using a 1h weapon/spell combo over a 2h weapon/spell combo?

The advantage of 1h/spell combo is that you can cast while swinging/blocking. With a two handed weapon you could only cast when standing, not while blocking or attacking.

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:56 am

I hopee we can get a perk that allows us to Duel Wield Great weapons (two handed weapons) .

You can't even dual wield two longswords, so that seems incredibly unlikely.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:42 pm

That would depend on your opponent's weapon. I don't care how skilled you are, your not going to effectively block a war-hammer with two blades.

I'd imagine the skilled one wouldn't block at that point. He'd get out of the way.. or even better... get in the other person's face where they can't use momentum for their big weapon while the blade user can stab with his daggers or whatever. I'd guess when he says they can be better he doesn't necessarily mean the act of blocking, but fighting overall.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:51 pm

You can't even dual wield two longswords, so that seems incredibly unlikely.

It's an extreme misconception that dual wield automatically = dual attack. You can duel wield any one handed weapon but effectively attacking with both at the same time is a different story.

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:31 am

I'm not really excited... Dual wielding is just not practical in a combat application

Yes it is. Its not like duel wielding guns, its part of an actual combat style XD

Edit: Well, in a call out to people who don't understand the concept of duel wielding, its part of simultaneously using both weapons(But not using both at the same time). Its a bit like empty handed fighting, just with weapons. Also, you can duel wield longswords if you're strong enough

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:12 am

Spells and duel weapons are still possible in fight, IMO you probably just need to use the d-pad, most likely, taping which ever trigger you wish to over right with the weapon/spell you have selected on the d-pad. So you can still have things like restoration and soul capture reasonably ready with out having to enter the menu. A bigger or better jump would to see each dpad direction set to one of the possable, 'load outs' we may have in the menu to set up our gear, so you can quickly blast off aload of spells/arrows then drop to defensive set up with a sheild n sword as you get charged.

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:03 am

It's an extreme misconception that dual wield automatically = dual attack. You can duel wield any one handed weapon but effectively attacking with both at the same time is a different story.

True but a "Longsword" in real life is typically referred to as a "1 and a half" hand weapon. You can wield it with one hand but due to it's length and weight you would be better off using two hands at least some of the time. You could dual wield it but it would be terribly innefective. It still differs from a claymore in the sense that a claymore is so massive and heavy that attempting to wield it with one hand is as effective as throwing an arrow.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:30 pm

True but a "Longsword" in real life is typically referred to as a "1 and a half" hand weapon. You can wield it with one hand but due to it's length and weight you would be better off using two hands at least some of the time. You could dual wield it but it would be terribly innefective. It still differs from a claymore in the sense that a claymore is so massive and heavy that attempting to wield it with one hand is as effective as throwing an arrow.

According to that logic using a shield renders your longsword ineffective. Try again.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:06 pm

Swords were not heavy. They weighed about 2 kilos or something close to that. And the people weilding them probably had a bit more physical life than we do. (granted I'm not sure how many things a medieval noble would really have to do, but more ordinary people must have had quite a physical life)

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:37 pm

I will probably use dual wielding as a barbarian type character: hand axe and longsword or club and handaxe

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:12 pm

Swords were not heavy. They weighed about 2 kilos or something close to that. And the people weilding them probably had a bit more physical life than we do. (granted I'm not sure how many things a medieval noble would really have to do, but more ordinary people must have had quite a physical life)

I concur that they where more physical but a sword weighing 2kg that's a tooth pick...

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:00 pm

Most likely for my mage character ill have 1 spell in both hands most times or a healing spell for me and an attack spell for them...

I might even have two summons spells if they dont totaly screw up conjurations this time...

As for my warrior.. one of them will definetly have 2 shields and then swap to 2 maces vs weaklings...

Masybe if they have throwable alchemy potions ill have a two bottle alchemist madman flinging acid and explosives around...

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:50 am

I concur that they where more physical but a sword weighing 2kg that's a tooth pick...

They really were light. I was quite surprised myself when I saw that, and even more surprised when I wore a Roman armor in a museum (Made with their techniques, shield and everything) and felt like I was carrying as much weight as my typical day in uni :biggrin: (well truth be told it wasn't the weight that impressed me, but how mobile your upper body was while wearing it.. but that's another topic)

All I can do is link to those. If you look at the average weight it's about 1.5 kilos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_sword

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_sword

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longsword

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:51 pm

Wooooow...

That's just...a terrible, terrible extrapolation of the argument.

You argue that dual-weilding is unrealistic when it isn't and is used in reality in many applications but that doesn't 'feel real' to you? I think research is something that anyone should do about this, before assuming something is unrealistic. Magic does not actually exist as far as we know, however it can be treated in a believable manner. The same applies to anything in a fantasy setting. If, say, a wiry Dunmer were able to effectively wield two massive warhammers in battle and trounce anyone in their path without breaking a sweat, that would be unbelievable (see WoW), but two daggers, a long-sword and handaxe, a staff and mace, are all believable.

However, I think we'll find that dual-wielding is not simply a damage multiplier but will reduce defensive capabilities as well, so you may be able to do more damage, but you won't be as efficient at blocking. It can be balanced. On top of that, you don't have to make use of it in your game, at all, and if you come across an NPC dual-wielding you can laugh at them as you smash their skull in with your two-handed warhammer. Dual wielding may not be incredibly common, and whether you 'feel' it is realistic or not is irrelevant to the fact that it is 'real.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sai_%28weapon%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_sword

I'm not really against wielding a normal weapon in your main hand a short weapon in your off-hand. That seems plausible.
However When enemies are wielding say, two maces or long swords at the same time, it just is stupid.
Sure there were a few people that had a great dual wield combat style and the same could apply to TES, but that's not the point, the point is that stupid bandits will be charging me with dual wield techniques only real weapon masters should be able to, well... master.

I realize it's optional, and if you want to use it, by all means. I just don't like seeing dumb NPC's fighting with Dual Wield techniques everywhere.

And I swear if anyone brings up the "lolz magic realistic but duel wieldz r not?, u iz stupid" argument again I'll tear out their heart with my bare hands. :flame:
PS: I'll devour your soul too.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:31 pm

Love the idea of dual wielding spells.
But I really don't like Dual Wielding weapons. It's stupid and unrealistic to me.
But hey, that's just my opinion.

Yeah,and you know,magic and elves and realistic.

EDIT:Well hell,just read the post above.