Dual-Wielding Claymores

Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:50 am

'scuse me, but "Zweihander" is just German for "two hander" (zwei = 2), and would include Claymores.

The biggest issue isn't "balance". If you're using it as an axe (which is mostly how a Claymore is handled), balance is far less important than sheer inertia (based on both weight and length). Sure, your insane Nord strength allows you to pick it up with one hand, but try to swing that much weight at arm's length, and you're a serious threat to everyone, including yourself. Getting it moving is a lot easier than stopping it, when you suddenly realize that it's now headed back toward you. Add a second half-out-of-control chunk of metal flailing around you, and you have a recipe for disaster.

The answer is not just "no", but "NO WAY!!!"


What the name means and what it refers to is different, a Zweihander are usually a reference to a specific style of sword originating from Switzerland. Infact Zweihander are greatswords what is not true of all claymores. That aside, A claymore has a very limited hilt length, Axes have far more to handle them by, more so diquexe's. Also there are multiple types of axes and they don't all handle the same way. Claymores are not amazingly heavy weapons, they gain "weight" because they are unbalanced, if you were to hold a claymore near the center of gravity, you'd much more easily be able to lift it, holding it by the hilt is where it becomes difficult.

However we both clearly agree on the NO WAY!!! :).
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:26 am

An important detail in Demon's Souls is that you're powered by the souls of mighty demons. You're not entirely human anymore. I personally use a crushing +5 claymore and shield in Demon's Souls. :hubbahubba: It wouldn't work in Skyrim though.

Power of the dragons :) Blessed Great Axe here myself :)
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:54 am

So many good points - and still some people want to dual wield claymores. It's kind of like trying to argue with a wall. You can come up with the most clever arguments to get it to move, but no matter what you say it won't budge. Because it's a wall. :banghead:

I know this has been used before, but it just works so well with so many ideas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zNjQecyjE8
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:17 am

Another one of those over the top ideas. No.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:29 am

Conan wields the Atlantean Sword in one hand several times throughout the films.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5bjIJ6JqaE
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:54 am

Conan wields the Atlantean Sword in one hand several times throughout the films.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5bjIJ6JqaE

Well that's nice, but I don't think we should do something in TES just because Conan did it. And of course I'm sure Conan does plenty of ridiculous things.

Even so, wielding a claymore in one hand is not the same deal as dual wielding them. Just like plenty of soldiers held a longsword in one hand, but they never dual wielded them.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:54 pm

Well that's nice, but I don't think we should do something in TES just because Conan did it. And of course I'm sure Conan does plenty of ridiculous things.

Even so, wielding a claymore in one hand is not the same deal as dual wielding them. Just like plenty of soldiers held a longsword in one hand, but they never dual wielded them.

You beat me to it :D Hats of to you, good sir ;)
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:17 am

Well that's nice, but I don't think we should do something in TES just because Conan did it. And of course I'm sure Conan does plenty of ridiculous things.

Even so, wielding a claymore in one hand is not the same deal as dual wielding them. Just like plenty of soldiers held a longsword in one hand, but they never dual wielded them.

Look at 1:16 how he swings the [censored] out of that thing with ONE hand. You can't tell me it's not the same deal. He has also dual-wielded the same sword with a full-sized battle axe.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:16 am

You beat me to it :D Hats of to you, good sir ;)

Yeah, "hats off to him" for being as closed-minded as you are. Seriously, you may as well clean his [censored] with your tongue.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:06 pm

How is dual-wielding claymores "not serious" for someone with the strength to do it? It's plenty believable, given the setting and atmosphere.

You obviously don't realize how LARGE a single Claymore is...
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:50 am

Look at 1:16 how he swings the [censored] out of that thing with ONE hand. You can't tell me it's not the same deal. He has also dual-wielded the same sword with a full-sized battle axe.

Ever heard of "Hollywood magic"? Not to mention that that sword is basically spinning on it's own circular momentum, and is nothing like wielding it in a battle, let alone two of them at the same time.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:58 am

Yeah, "hats off to him" for being as closed-minded as you are. Seriously, you may as well clean his [censored] with your tongue.

You really are an [Not very nice person] aren't you? Uuuh how dare he agree some someone who disagrees with you?! It's not about being close minded, it's about what fits in the TES universe. TES is not conan, nor should it be.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:17 pm

Noo... Claymores are 2-Handed weapons not single handed.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:55 pm

Conan wields the Atlantean Sword in one hand several times throughout the films.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5bjIJ6JqaE


Nice, but it's not a claymore (after all it lacks the charactistic Crossguard of a claymore), even if it is stylized to look like a greatsword... it does not even look as long as a long sword.... and let's remember, it's hollywood.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:52 am

Conan wields the Atlantean Sword in one hand several times throughout the films.

Well, since the Atlantean Sword is a ONEHANDED SWORD the length of a Longsword or Bastard sword, it's not strange. A Claymore is 4/3 the size of that thing if not longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:24 am

You obviously don't realize how LARGE a single Claymore is...

You obviously didn't watch the video I just posted proving a claymore can be effectively wielded in one hand.

Ever heard of "Hollywood magic"? Not to mention that that sword is basically spinning on it's own circular momentum, and is nothing like wielding it in a battle, let alone two of them at the same time.

That's not hollywood magic. That claymore is 100% real. And how the [censored] would you of all people know what it's like to wield in battle? You've likely never even been in a real fight in your life.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:42 am

There's a point where plausible suspension of disbelief degrades into dork-fed stupidity, and holding a six foot sword in one hand is it.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:41 am

Well, since the Atlantean Sword is a ONEHANDED SWORD the length of a Longsword or Bastard sword, it's not strange. A Claymore is 4/3 the size of that thing if not longer.

Ah, couldn't tell from the limited view in that trailer. Nonetheless, what he's weilding is a prop, so of course he can do it!
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:55 pm

YOu really are an ass arent you? Uuuh how dare he agree some someone who disagrees with you?! It's not about being close minded, it's about what fits in the TES universe. TES is not conan, and nor should it be.

That's what I'm saying, but mister I-can't-accept-that-other's-have-different-opinions... I mean archmage keep insisting.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:36 am

Well, since the Atlantean Sword is a ONEHANDED SWORD the length of a Longsword or Bastard sword, it's not strange. A Claymore is 4/3 the size of that thing if not longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore

WTF are you talking about? The Atlantean Sword is nearly 40 inches in length. 39 inches.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:21 pm

HFGL :)
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:20 am

sorry man but even if he was benchin 450 thats not realistic. A claymore is a very large sword and iss very long and heavy. to you would only be able to grasp the sword by its handle and the majority of the weight would be in the blade. when you swing the sword it will hve inertia which will move it in your hand. Even if your really REALLY strong you can't duel wield Claymores. Thats why nobodies ever done it in real life. It woudl be a foolish thing for even a Schwarzenegger type nord could not handle. I don't think you have a good grasp on leverage or you overestimate strenght. I'm pretty strong myself and i have difficult duel weilding swords in real life. and thats just a Katana and a wazakashi. its very difficult. doing that with a claymore is just ridiculous and quite toonish.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:50 am

I got a better idea, why not just remove daggers, call longswords daggers, call claymores longswords and have them weilded in one hand, and introduce some of those gigantic Final Fantasy swords instead.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:03 am

You obviously didn't watch the video I just posted proving a claymore can be effectively wielded in one hand.


That's not hollywood magic. That claymore is 100% real. And how the [censored] would you of all people know what it's like to wield in battle? You've likely never even been in a real fight in your life.

I've done fencing, though those swords are light as hell, so that's not really a comparison. But still, I've spun a metal pole similar to how he did it there, easy, but it's nothing like coordinating it when actually trying to form combat with someone (which I also did). The momentum totally pulls you out, you can't move it fast enough etc. Get me an actual historical example of dual wielding claymores.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:55 am

Bottom line is that wielding a Claymor in each hand both looks stupid and is unrealistic. For all the magic and fantasy that exists in the Elder Scrolls, Bethesda obviously wants at least SOME realism when designing their games.
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