Dual-Wielding Claymores

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:09 am

Dual-wielded claymores would obviously have different strikes than longswords. Consider the mass and weight of the claymores, and force = mass * velocity. A 30 lb. claymore would need to move at nearly half the velocity of a 15-20 lb. longsword to create the same force. Of course they swing different due to their weight distribution, but that doesn't make them any less effective.

Yes, it does.
A sword designed to be used with two-hands simply CANNOT be used effectively with one. Balance and leverage just do not allow for it.
Go find a claymore and try it, if you believe so adamantly that it can work.
It just can't.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:45 pm

I fail to see how being strong will make you able to dual wield claymores effectively. Sure if you were strong enough you could hold it with one hand. But thats about it. I fail to see how you it would be practical or even able to be used effectively in combat against an opponant wielding say just a longsword who will be more manouverable and able to get in many strikes before you manage to get in one.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:01 pm

Rather, we don't want to see the IMpossibility of dual wielded claymores.


I meant the the possibility that the AI itself would go for dual wielding claymores, rather then talking about the dual wielding itself but I understand where you are coming from :). After all, I myself am about 190 CM, and even I doubt I could hold a single claymore one-handed, let alone holding two one-handed in dual wield.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:54 pm

Dual-wielded claymores would obviously have different strikes than longswords. Consider the mass and weight of the claymores, and force = mass * velocity. A 30 lb. claymore would need to move at nearly half the velocity of a 15-20 lb. longsword to create the same force. Of course they swing different due to their weight distribution, but that doesn't make them any less effective.

They would be quite a bit less effective. The attack would be slow and lack the force required to make them count. The last time I saw someone try this was when Gimli DW'd 2 axes(movie). He managed it, but only because he could hold at the middle of the weapon and I clearly saw that he was more effective with only one. When using a claymore you don't have that luxury.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:53 pm

No. Even if it were possible with these special Elder scrolls humans, it defeats the point of the 2-handed skill. FWIW even dual wielding longswords is highly implausible in reality, it's awfully hard to control. Dual wielding with large weapons was very rarely done. They had an entire thread on this before it was announced for the game where it was discussed in depth.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:19 am

No, no, no, why not carry and axe between you toes and and a Longbow between you butt cheeks as well.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:28 pm

Summing up argument against DW claymores.
1: Unrealistic.
2: Unbalanced(may result in a broken wrist).
3: Removes the purpose of a 2-handed skill.
4: Unbalanced in gameplay.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:49 pm

OP stop being a Nazi. Why did you start this thread if you don't want to hear anyone's opinion? Everyone has given valid reasons, I think dual wielding anything at all is silly for a start, but whatever your thoughts on that Dragonbone's point should end the discussion
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:51 pm

That's not even an argument. Please leave now, thanks.


No, you've got no argument. I'm with Orzorn and many others, a resounding "no" from me. If you're incapable of facing criticism or differing opinions, leave the thread. Or the internet for that matter.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:25 pm

probably for an beast of an enemy boss
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:17 pm

Summing up argument against DW claymores.
1: Unrealistic.
2: Unbalanced(may result in a broken wrist).
3: Removes the purpose of a 2-handed skill.
4: Unbalanced in gameplay.

Don't forget "5. Looks silly".
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:47 pm

Don't forget "5. Looks silly".

Was trying to keep it from making the OP go all crazy, but I agree.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:07 pm

Ugh. [censored] it. You guys obviously have no concept of what a muscular 280 lb. Nord is capable of.


Capsizing a ship as he enters it?

Dual wield claymore? Sure, why not, as long as it's a one handed claymore, I don't have a problem with it. ;) But since I don't expect those types to arrive, no thanks. You may be able to carry them, or even make fancy moves with them, but without the strength behind them, your damage will be very limited. So it really serves little purpose. Couldn't find any real world applications of it either. Naah, give me my two samurai swords, and I can name my unlucky character Groo... :P
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:30 pm

Copy/ pasting my post from the last time this came up :

Think of this in a pen and paper game :
Player : 'Cool, a new Elven Claymore, I'll use that in my left hand, and the Dwarven in my right, fighting with both.'
DM : 'You can't, to swing a claymore in one hand, you need the other one not attacking, but helping your balance.'
Player : 'Ok, I'll use the Elven, right hand only.'
DM : [rolls die] 'A spider drops from the ceiling, luckily it misses you.'
Player : [rolls die] 'Attack the spider, one handed claymore swing.'
DM : 'Hit, you kill the spider easily, but your weapon hits the stone floor hard.' [rolls die] 'Ooh, bad luck, you just broke your wrist, the pain is excruciating, you drop the claymore.' [rolls dice] 'Six more spiders drop from the ceiling..........
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:36 pm

OP stop being a Nazi. Why did you start this thread if you don't want to hear anyone's opinion? Everyone has given valid reasons, I think dual wielding anything at all is silly for a start, but whatever your thoughts on that Dragonbone's point should end the discussion


I'd agree with this on the most part, I don't think dual wielding is entirely silly tho, there have been some weapons that can dual wield but these are naturally ligher and shorter weapons with even shorter and lighter weapons in the off hand. For example, like a rapier and dagger combo or a katana and wakizashi (thank you google for confirming the weapons, I could remember it roughly but not the exact weapons). But it is still fairly rare over all and it generally goes off of having a longer stronger attacking/aggressive weapon weapon in on hand and a more offensive/defensive weapon in the off hand.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:06 am

Capsizing a ship as he enters it?

Dual wield claymore? Sure, why not, as long as it's a one handed claymore, I don't have a problem with it. ;) But since I don't expect those types to arrive, no thanks. You may be able to carry them, or even make fancy moves with them, but without the strength behind them, your damage will be very limited. So it really serves little purpose. Couldn't find any real world applications of it either. Naah, give me my two samurai swords, and I can name my unlucky character Groo... :P

The closest thing to a 1-handed claymore I know is the bastard-sword from D&D. I don't expect that to appear.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:13 am

Anyone who is against dual-wielding claymores:

http://demonssouls.wdfiles.com/local--files/swords/dbs-on-hand-large.jpg

That's an example of a great sword :)
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:51 pm

Anyone who is against dual-wielding claymores:

http://demonssouls.wdfiles.com/local--files/swords/dbs-on-hand-large.jpg

That's an example of a great sword :)

Or from another perspective, an example of a ridiculous looking sword.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:34 pm

Or from another perspective, an example of a ridiculous looking sword.

It's a legendary sword made from dragons bones and it is used to kill dragons! :) But yeah
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:10 pm

Looks like a really long wrench, actually.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:36 pm

It's a legendary sword made from dragons bones and it is used to kill dragons! :) But yeah

Well, I just wanted to point out that it has no blade and a horribly impractical (and bone shaped? WTF?) tip. But to each their own.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:48 pm

If there are no real-world examples of two-handed claymores being duel-wielded, then I'd say we're flogging a dead horse, and probably have been since the end of the first page.

Fact is, if it were practical to swing about two huge swords, then it would have happened some time in the last 5000 years. And as far as I can tell, there's nothing to say that is has.
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:42 pm

I agree with the OP. yes claymore's arent normally used with just 1H. BUT it CAN be weilded with one hand. it just wont be very effective because of the way its designed. BUT if the character has 1) trained to use it with one hand and 2) is really strong. i dont see why he shouldnt become effective in it (speaking purely in game terms of course).

Of course, he wont be as effective as those who just trained to DW normal 1handers because while they focus on getting good, he has to focus first on being average, THEN on being good.

D&D did this very well. you can spend a lot of skills to dual weild 2HW but you'd end up with a gimped character. first you have to learn to weild a 2H with one hand, then you have to learn dual weilding skills. This could be balanced well enough for Skyrim. While others are getting bonuses, a 2H dual weilder would be getting perks to just negate penalties.

More choices are good. :)
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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:50 pm

Well, I just wanted to point out that it has no blade and a horribly impractical (and bone shaped? WTF?) tip. But to each their own.


Demon's Souls was filled with unrealistic weapons, I'd ignore it as any example of a good way to design a game too. The only good thing I remember in Demon Soul's was the boss fights, even the PvP was done in a horrible manor that'd leave you disconnecting the PS3 from the Internet to avoid it.
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Post » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:56 am

Many good arguments here, but I'm with the op. Dual wielding claymores is just fun. I can let realism slide.

Personally, I wanna be Conan on crack.
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