[leni]

REV 3.7.1

get it here:

http://tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/514-duke-patricks-combat-archery/


Changed my sound system for the bow draw sound effect from my "creative" system to a more Bethesda standard system.
This may or may not really make a difference but it will make the mod less "hacky" and more in line with how the DEV might have done it had the chosen to.

The password to open the zip file with the ESP and the INI file is exactly the same as the last rev.


You only need to replace the esp file you do not need to replace the INI file or any of the other files.

[Marcus Jordan]

mmm....I was thinking...becasue my mod raises the damage level the longer time you take to fire the bow. I.E One hit kill is possible with strong bows but only if you take the time to draw the bow string all the way back, that may be a big reason for Bethesda changing their Archery combat system.


They need that for killing dragons that are swooping and flying around in the air. Can you imagine trying to kill a fast flying moving target like that with the vanilla Oblivion bow and arrow system?

[NeverStopThe]

There is talk of special powers like dragon shouts which give the ability to alter time.

Sounds to me like a fancy way of disguising bullet time. With bullet time ability I could see that.

What I'm jazzed about is that they are most likely going to be introducing true flight into the game, so that even if it is released with only dragons flying the mechanics will be there and as such modders could add other creatures or even the character as having flight (and not just a ~tcl hack).

[Devin Sluis]

congrats Duke - you deserve it.

Still they should hire you.

I absolutely agree: you inventiveness, knowledge and passion would be a real asset for any game developer
looking for realism and immersiveness in combat.

Happy birthday from me as well

[Andy durkan]

Thank you guys for the compliments. :hehe:

I would be willing to offer my services as a technical adviser to Bethesda for free if I could afford to take off for a year from my present job and they really wanted to add a little more fun and realism to the combat. Shield blocking for example has never been done right by any game company. There are as many different, cool and interesting ways to counter an attack with a shield as there is to attack with a sword besides just holding the shield up in the path of the attack. I have developed an entire science behind the geometry of combat that can directly be applied to sword games.

But seriously, a company like Bethesda looks for programing type talent first. Great ideas are dime a dozen, those that program the ideas into real code are what profitable DEV wants.

[Brooks Hardison]

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[Emily Graham]

New Duke Patrick's Combat Archery Mod Version 3.8
(Note that another rev is planned rev 4. This will include RACE SCALE and other new size detections commands from OBSE for calculating the critical hits.)


Rev 3.8
Fixed "Pull the bow string" delay issue where it would sometimes not kick in.

Get it here:

http://tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/514-duke-patricks-combat-archery/

[Budgie]

Congratulations for getting appraisal from the devs. That's seriously cool. :goodjob:

Your mod is also awesome! Finally a reason to learn to use bow(and be aware of other bowmen) in the game.

[Beat freak]

Congrats for influencing the Skyrim development :tops: ! And happy birthday :celebrate:
As far as advising Beth, i know you have some very interesting source material, so I think you should PM the Beth community manager on these forums telling him that you're "the guy who made the mod", and give him a few links where they can read about recreations of medieval combat, and maybe buy a book or two on that. And I guess you could offer to answer some of their questions by email... using your modding time for that instead seems worth it if you're basically "remotely modding" Skyrim .

I've been enjoying the mod quite a bit. It seems you managed to make it rather low-conflict in recent iterations, because it fits well in my humongous load order.
A simple request: would it be possible to have an option to remove the "Don't use your bow" booting message I get every time I load a game, as well as the {} that gets added in the bows' names? I'm aiming for immersion, i.e. I don't want to be constantly reminded that I modded the game.
I guess you have your own reasons for including those, that probably include confused players and dumb support requests. However in my case I turn off all stats modifications to arrows and bows (Edit: I also turn off the arrow limit) since I have other mods to take care of that: therefore the {} doesn't serve a purpose I think. Also, I can't remember a time where I fired an arrow right upon loading a game, and even then I wouldn't really care that the first shot is not done according to your system, as long as it kicks in soon afterwards.

Lastly I understand the options in your ini file, but what's slightly confusing is that you keep inverting the logic of each option like this:
set doActivateOptionOne = 1
set dontActivateOptionTwo = 1
The convention in most ini files is that all options are expressed in a positive way (i.e. "do"), which allows seeing at a glance which features are on or off.

[Barbequtie]

Does this change arrow speed?

[Sherry Speakman]

You:
A simple request: would it be possible to have an option to remove the "Don't use your bow" booting message I get every time I load a game,

me:
I have been trying to think of a way to do this, it is all much more complicated than you ares assuming but I agree that the consent message on reloading can get annoying. What I may do then if you really believe that it is that rare to use a bow in the first 10 seconds of loading a game is allow an option that prevents you from drawing your bow for the first few seconds while the mod boots instead of asking you not to.


You:
as well as the {} that gets added in the bows' names?


Me:
cannot do that.


You:
Lastly I understand the options in your ini file, but what's slightly confusing is that you keep inverting the logic of each option like this:
set doActivateOptionOne = 1
set dontActivateOptionTwo = 1
The convention in most ini files is that all options are expressed in a positive way (i.e. "do"), which allows seeing at a glance which features are on or off.


Me:
I will keep what you are saying in mind for future INI files. But I will probably not go back and rewrite the entire mod to do this as the benefits do not warrant the effort. And there are reasons why some need to be zero and others a number of some kind.

I mod for personal reasons and not necessarily to make "popular mods" so I am not often concerned about the "convention of most". With this mod I am a little more interested in it being user friendly. I therefor do appreciate your suggestions and giving me some more to think about in that direction.

[Jason Rice]

Arrow speeds are changed per the arrows materials and craftsmanship, but this is optional in the INI file.

Keep in mind; medieval arrows are not equivalent to how fast modern day arrows can fly. But you may notice that the lightweight arrows like bone fire extremely fast and thus with less ballistics dip. This is great for inflicting poisons as the damage comes from the poison not so much the arrow and you will not miss as often thus wasting your poison on a shot that did not hit the target. I love the synergistic relationship of the tactics in this kind of thing, but only when it is realistic and not contrived just for gaming reasons.


However no matter what you set in the INI, ALL arrows will be much slower if you fire them with out first finishing the "puling back of the bow string".
With real bows almost 90 percent of the potential speed and power come from drawing the bow in the last 75% plus. (it is not linear).


So for simplicity I scripted it so that the draw must be completed or your arrows will hit weakly and slowly.
Release very soon and this will be a dramatic change (arrow will be obviously slow and weak) release before a complete draw and the arrow will hit but do a fraction of the possible damage. Draw the bow all the way for full power and speed. Set your bows to do realistic damage and you have a system then that rewards you with realistic devastating power IF you take the time to draw the weapon all the way first.

This is one reason why it irritates me to be pressured into options like whether the player can make the bow power high or low. They often do not realize "the big picture" and then blame the mod for not being "balanced."

Does this change arrow speed?

[Daniel Brown]

I seem to be doing something wrong.

I have OBSE,
Current Stable Version: v0019b

This mod, Quarls TP, Darns U.I all DLC, GOTY edition.

Its not working at all.

Here is what I did, please forgive me if I looked over something simple.

D/L this mod.
7.Zip file.
Read read me, get password.
unzip INI and ESP.

Move meshes/sounds and INI/esp into oblivion data folder.
click on with OBMM
start game.

I am sure OBMM starts using OBSE (gives a message even)

Oblivion.esm
Knights.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp
Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp


What did I do wrong, can't de nock by looking down, cant see my fatigue going down. Moving doesnt seem to affect anything.

[Ladymorphine]

I cant edit above post?

Anyway, it seems the INI was blank, so I just unzipped it again, will see if it works now.

Still not working?

Edit

Now the game freezes up, I must have really messed p some where.

If I dont drop the bow it locks up, if I do drop it I get a "mod is loading message" and a pop up then it locks up.

Edit again
Fixed!!! was a problem with OBGE support esp? disabled the esp and it works fine

[Tinkerbells]

I have been trying to think of a way to do this, it is all much more complicated than you ares assuming but I agree that the consent message on reloading can get annoying. What I may do then if you really believe that it is that rare to use a bow in the first 10 seconds of loading a game is allow an option that prevents you from drawing your bow for the first few seconds while the mod boots instead of asking you not to.

Of course I don't know the specifics of your mod, so my calling the request 'simple' was rather hopeful. Maybe instead of complicating your code with yet another option, you could always prevent drawing the bow for the first 10 seconds, and display the current message *if* the player actually attempts to draw it. Then I bet 95% of all users will never see that message.

You:
as well as the {} that gets added in the bows' names?
Me:
cannot do that.

If this request bothers you, just forget it, but could you summarize the remaining uses of the {} when all arrow/bow stats modifications are turned off? I'll try to find a workaround to remove those symbols based on my own use of the mod. Of course I won't ask for support afterwards for my modified version... duh.

This is one reason why it irritates me to be pressured into options like whether the player can make the bow power high or low. They often do not realize "the big picture" and then blame the mod for not being "balanced."

If it can put you at ease, I actually try your mod every few version with only it and Oblivion.esm enabled, to see how it's supposed to be working. Otherwise... well, I tend to avoid anything that requires an uninstall procedure such as weapon stats modifications, since I very often have to start deactivating mods by bunches to track down conflicts or bugs. So I really appreciate the customizability.

----------------------
Additional suggestion that just came to mind:
- COBL includes a Denock Arrow function, which I *think* is enabled by default. It uses the grab key to denock, so anyone who uses cobl (i.e. anyone with a full-featured house mod) may get a bit confused when they try the grab key to shoot downwards as your readme indicates. So maybe just add a note to your readme suggesting to disable Denock in the cobl options. There's no major bug or crash and both your denock and cobl's work, it just hides your shoot downwards functionality.

[Amanda Furtado]

New Duke Patrick's Combat Archery Mod Version 4 Skyrim Edtion!


Rev 4 Skyrim edition!

Add Race Scale detection to calculate the critical hits. Plus a new visual effect for critical hits. A flash of white will be seen at the contact point where the arrow hits during the critical hit. This critical hit flash can be turned off in the INI file. Also the "Boot Up" message has been removed.


Get it here:
http://tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/514-duke-patricks-combat-archery/


That is it for the foreseeable future. No more updates. I will only be working on my Combat Magic mod now. Then after that I am over 4 months behind on my personal game play (I have been only moding) so it is time to rest and play.

um.. after Combat Magic is out I mean....

[Katey Meyer]

I've just updated to your latest version and I'm getting this console spam:

Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let
Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let
Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let
Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let
Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let
Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let
Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let
Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let
Error in script ce01e5de
Attempting to call a function on a NULL reference or base object
File: Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp Offset: 0x02B9 Command: Let

I have no idea what is causing this since I've never had it before, I hope it isn't just me cos I thought someone else might have already spotted this by now. Here is my load order if this helps:

Spoiler

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[Ross Zombie]

Not just you; I'm getting the same problem.

[Nikki Hype]

Not just you; I'm getting the same problem.

Ah good, so it's not just me. When I first loaded the game it CTD after about 10 mins, which is pretty unusual, after loading my game again I spotted the spam in the console, gave me a reason to download Conscribe for the first time

[remi lasisi]

I have the same console spam problem too. Never had it before.

[Brooks Hardison]

@ everyone above me, I'm sure Spooky would appreciate it if you posted which OBSE version you are using. IIRC, he doesn't recompile his mods on a new OBSE version until it goes stable, so we need to rule out an OBSE conflict here, first thing, just in case we are having some weird issue with backwards compatibility (it happens).

[:)Colleenn]

I believe I'm using OBSE 20.

[Emily Martell]

I'm using OBSE 19b which I believe is the latest stable version.

edit: I think that error has something to do with the tripping/stumbling feature.

[Jack]

As Thomas Kaira said

Do not use OBSE betas, that is in the read me, but I guess I need to repeat it a few times in the docs.

I have other mods that some players have said they get messages in the console.
I do not pay attention to the console, I do not use it to mod and I do not use it in game when I play. So as long as the game works I am not worried about it.

However I would bet that IF you used the last version 3.8 and did not have any issue and now with rev 4 your are having an issue then it is possible you did not load ALL the files as you should have.

There is a new mesh in the mod files of rev 4, if all you did was grab the rev 4 ESP file, then naturally you will have problems.

Hopefully that is not only the simple but also the right answer.

[Jeff Turner]

I will upload Rev 4.1

The only difference is that I changed my script from this:


;;;;;;;;; set the TotalScale based on race scale and edtor scale

if me.iscreature == 0
let RefRace := me.getrace
set PRace to getracescale RefRace
set TotalScale to ( PRace * me.getscale )
else
set TotalScale to me.getscale
endif



to this:


;;;;;;;;; set the TotalScale based on race scale and edtor scale

if totalscale == 0
if me.iscreature == 0
let RefRace := me.getrace
set PRace to getracescale RefRace
set TotalScale to ( PRace * me.getscale )
else
set TotalScale to me.getscale
endif
endif


That stop repeated iterations of a part of the script that needs not be repeated unless the actor changes size in the middle of combat. If this is ever a case
then let me know and I will include additional detections. But stopping this from repeating over and over may effect the issue with the console.