Could you point out the clipping please? I've been staring at the shots but I can't find it.


Also, just realized that there are 2 types of horned helms. The one worn by the dude charging the spider is different from the other one.

Really hope you're right man

The guy appears to be in the middle of a walking animation with his right arm going into his vest a little.

My mistake, what I saw as clipping was actually muscle definition. Detailed character models will take some getting used to

EDIT: Ah, but it appears someone else found an example.

Ah that. Yeah, saw that already, just forgot about it XD. The presence of that clipping doesn't prove they have separate slots though, just a conflict between the armor design and the animations.

I played morrowind when I was 13 and I understood it fine.

it's pretty much impossible to not have clipping if you want a large variation in armor.. so it doens't really bother me. What does bother me though, is in some games, certain hairstyles/weapons show large amounts of clipping in the default standing animation. There should never be clipping in the standing animation.

@Blaster Haha ya I was like *thinks back* 12 the first time I played it? I had no issues understanding it either P:

Same here... was totally lost at first though! And the first visit to Vivec was awesome and annoying at the same time. Got lost in there XD

One screenshot of asymmetrical armor does not prove anything. If the same suit of armor was featured in multiple screenshots with multiple variations, sure. What we have is one screenshot with asymmetrical armor, and multiple screenshots of symmetrical armor (Elven, etc.) without ANY variation. So yeah, the "full suit" theory is far from debunked.

I don't remember any screenshots from Oblivion where the player wasn't wearing a complete armor set, so that doesn't really matter. Imo there shouldn't be a debate about whether or not they will include full suit armor, this is so unlikely it's silly.

Actually a lot of the armor shown in the article is asymmetrical... I only counted 2 chest pieces that were symmetrical (cuirass+pauldrons if you will). The one the player wears in most shot and the elven one. The others are either in the "too hard to tell" category or are clearly asymmetrical.

Doesn't matter as that isn't what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the screenshots don't debunk the prevalent argument in this thread that the screenshots prove the armor slots are broken up.

Considering enchanting skill is back, I believe we will be seeing much more balance. But come on, in order to enchant all your armor to get effects like 100% chamaleon, you had to spend a lot of friggin' money in the altars, and finding all of this money was very hard!

I think there is a great want for a very uniform way to implement all the outfit assets, See to avoid the clipping and a patchwork look, the art itself has to have certain limitations placed on it, if you wanted all the assets to work seamlessly between sets, then you cannot get very funky with proportions, size, and shape on any one asset. It's a bit of give and take in terms of visual diversity. Any excess clipping is a sin, and you will have that problem at least a little bit, the more detailed the character models are the worse this looks. Perhaps there might be a little bit of developer fear of attempting it. I know that it will drive you mad and limit the art a little. Easy solution: one piece outfits.

Also splitting the assets up into multiple pieces does impact performance, you are essentially creating 5 extra draws calls instead of 1. on and actor which is already a very resource intensive leaf node. Not sure about Bioware, I've not played Dragon Age, but I did read some dev interviews from the character/creature artists. they appear to really want to optimize the character assets.

Game Mechanics and balance I expect woulds also be primary reasons for such a decision. If thats how they want the game to work, so be it. This is why Fallout chose this direction, while technically it has more biped slots than oblivion did (though in game this isn't really how it played out), this is just the way Fallout always was.

Less to do with monetary cost considering Bethesda is kind of rolling in it atm.

Assuming most people didn't use the console or duplication glitch. :tongue:

Nor have we seen screenshots showing that characters can't have jetpacks, but that doens't make it a sensible theory

http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon

what exactly are we looking for, satanicmechanic?

Dude, this isn't complex. People are saying "Look, one pauldron! Armor is customizable!" when it is just as likely that the suit in that screenshot is an asymmetrical one. If there were multiple screenshots of multiple variants, sure, that would be proof. Right now, all we have is a single screenshot of *potentially* asymmetrical armor, and multiple screenshots of symmetrical armor without variation. I'm not claiming evidence for either corner, simply stating that there isn't evidence in EITHER corner. Fair?

Oh I only had an issue with the fact you seemed to believe the armor suit idea was plausible, which isn't. I completely agree that seperate shoulder slots are far from confirmed, infact, I'm still leaning to the idea that they aren't

"Multiple" is pretty vague. Although I'd be really surprised if they took a Fallout approach on this one.

It actually does, unless they are using the same meshes and textures for lots of armor (which doesn't seem likely in a modern game). The leather straps with left pauldron is seen three times in the preview. Once, it's on a dunmer and he's wearing it over what looks like a simple leather vest, once it's on the player and he's wearing it over a scaled cuirass, and once it's on the player and he's bare chested under it.

@ infernal

Question: Fallout like armor system w/ 2 slots, or Oblivion like w/ 5 slots or even better, Morrowind like slots in Skyrim?
Answer (by Pete): Multiple. You're officially done with questions for a week.

It's vague though. But I'm confident they went with a system similar to OB rather than FO

@ Aonaran
But those same straps are on 2 other armors.

I see, I am completely lost in this twitter thing, how exactly do I see what a certain.. message is responding too? All I see is @person

Lets hope so, I loved the look of having a large left pauldron and a smaller right one. Historically, the reason being that if you used a spear righthanded your left side was exposed more than your right hence the need for more armour along your left arm. anyway it just looked cool to me.