Dunmer and Argonian relations

Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:12 am

Maybe they wanted to revenge the The Arnesian War?
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Racheal Robertson
 
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:15 am

The Argonians only attacked because Morrowind was under turbulent times. They are opportunistic lizards. If it was a fair fight, the outcome would have been similar to the 3E390-something war with the two.

3E396 -The Arnesian War. But the Dunmer 'won' that so, is good! :thumbsup:
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:44 am

True. Red Mountain is a good ways from the sea; perhaps there were no tsunamis? :shrug:


The sea around vvardenfell is pretty shallow. Tsunamis would weaken very quickly, probably breaking far before they reach land.

or the "tsunamis" wouldnt be very big at all.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:45 am

Aye, the inner sea of Ghosts must have been a large vally to include waters deep enough to evoke a Tsunami...but Im really confused was sea of ghost Already there?

hence Emperor Crab of Ald ruhn and the various *evolutions* of water animals turned land or does Vivec really hold responsibility for its creation to destroy the Akaviri invasion?
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:19 am

Aye, the inner sea of Ghosts must have been a large vally to include waters deep enough to evoke a Tsunami...but Im really confused was sea of ghost Already there?

hence Emperor Crab of Ald ruhn and the various *evolutions* of water animals turned land or does Vivec really hold responsibility for its creation to destroy the Akaviri invasion?

I thought the Inner Sea was there already. Auriel probably wanted Lorkhan's Heart buried under water and mountain.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:00 am

I thought that too, but some semi blasphamous (to me) Instance stated that Vivec Created the sea of Ghosts (flooding) inner morrowind to lay waste to an Akaviri siege, at the same time...teaching his followers to breath water?..


If this is the case, and Vivec did make the inner Sea of ghosts....what happened when the Tribunal weren't the Tribunal...did the Akaviri curbstomp morrowind?...I dont even think at this point it would matter because apparently they re-did everything...
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:32 am

I read that Vivec taught the Dunmeri to breath water then flooded ALL of Morrowind. Obivously the water would have had to go back to the sea (otherwise Morrowind would be a big lake) but why wouldn't he let the Dunmeri keep breathing water?
I have no doubt that Vivec could have done this... Mysterious land, Morrowind....
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:59 am

Years of murder, slavery, and oppression. In Morrowind (the game) Argonians and Kahjiits were the only races subject to slavery. They were forced to work on plantations, serve as test subjects for magick and necromancy, and in some cases used as drug mules.


http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Slave_Market Some Dunmer even http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Falura_Llervu

Their hatred for Argonians ran the most deep but they'd even keep their own kind as slaves.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:11 am

Yeah. I even remember buying an Altmer slave just to take her to Red Mountain and fight Dagoth Ur.
She died.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:06 am

Yeah. I even remember buying an Altmer slave just to take her to Red Mountain and fight Dagoth Ur.
She died.


part of the main quest was to buy a dunmer slave, and pose it as a telvinni high-born
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:15 am

part of the main quest was to buy a dunmer slave, and pose it as a telvinni high-born


You can at least find two Altmer slaves as well.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:52 am

Reading the UESP-wiki : Please note that the article does not grammatically clarify whether :

Red mountain erupts -> Argonians invade Vvardenfel -> Remaining Dunmer of Vvardenfel flee to Solstheim.

Or

Red mountain erupts -> Argonians invade Morrowind -> All Dunmer flee to Solstheim.

At the same time - in the 'politics' section, Houses Dres and Hlaalu are described as being "on the rise" and Barenziah and Helseth as still on the Throne of Morrowind.
If everyone had gone off to live on Solstheim I highly doubt anyone would be "on the rise".

So I think the first interpretation of the text might be what is meant.
Not that I know.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:26 am

Reading the UESP-wiki : Please note that the article does not grammatically clarify whether :

Red mountain erupts -> Argonians invade Vvardenfel -> Remaining Dunmer of Vvardenfel flee to Solstheim.

Or

Red mountain erupts -> Argonians invade Morrowind -> All Dunmer flee to Solstheim.

At the same time - in the 'politics' section, Houses Dres and Hlaalu are described as being "on the rise" and Barenziah and Helseth as still on the Throne of Morrowind.
If everyone had gone off to live on Solstheim I highly doubt anyone would be "on the rise".

So I think the first interpretation of the text might be what is meant.
Not that I know.


Yeah, i don't think it makes sense that the argonians rounded up all the Dunmer on the little island of Solstheseim.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:00 pm

Reading the UESP-wiki : Please note that the article does not grammatically clarify whether :

Red mountain erupts -> Argonians invade Vvardenfel -> Remaining Dunmer of Vvardenfel flee to Solstheim.

Or

Red mountain erupts -> Argonians invade Morrowind -> All Dunmer flee to Solstheim.

At the same time - in the 'politics' section, Houses Dres and Hlaalu are described as being "on the rise" and Barenziah and Helseth as still on the Throne of Morrowind.
If everyone had gone off to live on Solstheim I highly doubt anyone would be "on the rise".

So I think the first interpretation of the text might be what is meant.
Not that I know.

The book makes it seem like it's most of Morrowind:

"We call them the Dunmer, and they used to live in Morrowind, which is what's below us now. Now most of them are gone."
"A volcano erupted and destroyed most of their cities. Then my people came in and killed or drove out more."
"The few that remain are scattered. Most are on Soulstheim, an island far north of here."

Hlaalu on the rise comes from the 3rd pocket guide, which is from before all the mess.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:23 am

Perhaps the author wasn't a lore-maniac like us and thought that Morrowind was just Vvardenfell. You never know...
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:27 pm

So, with Vvardenfell decimated what happened to the Ashlanders?
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:08 am

King Hlaalu Helseth, Greg was supervised and contracted by Bethesda, used the Imperial Library (part of his thank yous), and consulted some of the lore makers of Beth. The only mistake is the spelling of Solstheim. It's noted that the argonians have been remarshing southern Morrowind, and that when Sul escaped Oblivion 20 years after the MoT crashed, he landed in the middle of what used to be Vivec, completely surrounded by argonians.

I'm very dead sure the argonians effectively took over Morrowind and drove the dunmer out of Morrowind to Cyrodiil, Skyrim, and Solstheim.

For Zaarin, anyone who was on Vvardenfell had to be dead by the time Red Mountain erupted. It's nothing but an island surrounded by boiling seas, dried magma, and feet high ash, even 40ish years after the MoT fell.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:58 am

A volcano the size of Red Mountain could easily devastate an area larger than the size of Vvardenfell. Keep in mind that earthquakes and lava aren't the only forms of destruction volcanoes have.
At the very least, Dunmer infrastructure is in shambles and those who survived but lost their homes would be fleeing. The remaining Dunmer who survived and were still in the remote corners of Morrowind were easily slaughtered by the unified force of the Argonians.

Yes, there were also other slaves, but the vast majority of slaves were beast races. Partially because they were considered to be lesser than everyone else and partially because Black Marsh was close enough to simply abduct Argonians from across the border. Elsweyr is fairly close as well, but not on the border like Black Marsh. Knowing Khajiit, they sold their own to the Dunmer :P
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:51 am

*Nerevar reborn facepalms* I should have know a 700 foot robot powered by the heart of a dead god would came in handy later Ugh! maybe I could make another one? nah I think Im fresh out of god powered heart batteries hmmmm....maybe...No.......yes levitate all dwarven ruins of Vvardenfell bring them together create a new city and yes....yes...tap into the geothermal energy being released by red mountain....thak you Dwemer and your awesome technollogy and anti aging metals Mwahahahahahaha.

too much ah well I still think off the coast of solstheim to the right of it under the sea should have been a dwemer city like Stargat atlantis style which would rise from the sea and be a staging ground for an invasion into solstheim/skyrim or at least a leftover option.
God that woulda been a great dlc and or new home/repository of knowledge that could be used to help better the lives of all the peoples of all the races of Tamriel....
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:42 pm

To reaffirm the conversation in here earlier about the Heart of Lorkhan and Red Mountain, the Heat of Lorkhan was thrown into the Ocean. The power of the Heart created an Island (Vvanderfell), which grew in the bay area. Thats how the Island came to be. About the flooding, I'm not up to date on my second era lore to make a proper statement, so I will end with that.

About the Argonians in Vivec, that would make sense, but there is also facts stating that House Redoran moved their capital to Blacklight, which is on the mainland, and it was being raided by Nords. I demand an explanation to this gaping hole in the lore of the world of Nirn.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:44 am

From the UESP:
2E 572 — The Akaviri invaders of Morrowind were defeated.
The Akaviri invaders were killed when the land mysteriously became flooded. Despite the extensive flooding, almost no Dunmer people were injured or killed. Legend has it that the god Vivec taught the Dunmeri to breathe water and flooded the island
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Now this mentions that Morrowind's Akaviri indaders are defeated, but mentions only an island (Vvardenfell) being flooded. Perhaps another fault in Elder Scrolls Lore as I'm sure the Akaviri would invade more than just Vvardenfell.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:15 pm

The now mortal Lord Vivec is still alive.

I wonder if he's going to reunite the dunmeri people.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:18 am

The now mortal Lord Vivec is still alive.

I wonder if he's going to reunite the dunmeri people.

In oblivion, it was rumoured that he was captured by daedra. Just a rumour though, he could be dead. Bethesda's way of making sure he's gone forever, as some people would kill him in morrowind (i did XD)... We won't ever be seeing him again.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:56 am

EDIT
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:42 am

No offense to the lizard lovers out there, but Argonians are kinda lame. They better get a healthy dose of badass for Skyrim, or I'm gonna butcher every one I see.
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