Dunmer and Argonian relations : V - Skyrim

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:27 am

The now mortal Lord Vivec is still alive.

I wonder if he's going to reunite the dunmeri people.

WHAT? that false god!?!? I killed him!!!

anyway, i would rather see the Nerevarine reunite the Dunmeri people

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:03 am

No offense to the lizard lovers out there, but Argonians are kinda lame. They better get a healthy dose of badass for Skyrim, or I'm gonna butcher every one I see.

From the concept art, it looks like argonians are going to be more BA.

@ Liu Bei, the nerevarine did! Then left! The prophecy has been fulfilled. The great houses were removed, and the imperial presence dashed away, along with all the other jazz in it.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:23 pm

@ Liu Bei, the nerevarine did! Then left! The prophecy has been fulfilled. The great houses were removed, and the imperial presence dashed away, along with all the other jazz in it.

The Nevevarine is Immortal though right... so he could come back.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:25 am

As an Argonian i can't wait to slaughter every dark-elf scum i see

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:00 am

The Nevevarine is Immortal though right... so he could come back.

Unless the nerevarine accidentally fell on a sword.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:20 pm

Unless the nerevarine accidentally fell on a sword.

Psh, impossible. The Nerevarine has restore health 30 per second constant effect.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:23 am

A really sharp sword.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:00 am

Psh, impossible. The Nerevarine has restore health 30 per second constant effect.

And killed King Hlaalu Helseth and now has his awesome ring. (I probably shouldn't give people ideas...)

DON'T KILL KING HLAALU HELSETH.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:29 pm

On the subject of Helseth, where the hell was he when the Argonians were invading? No point organising an army, eh?

I wrote a long post but I lost it in a mix up. Basically, Vivec 'disappearing' is Bethesda's way of killing off the character without needing to specifically specify his fate.

Now this mentions that Morrowind's Akaviri indaders are defeated, but mentions only an island (Vvardenfell) being flooded. Perhaps another fault in Elder Scrolls Lore as I'm sure the Akaviri would invade more than just Vvardenfell.

By whose fault? Vvandenfell is one of the most northern parts of Tamriel, so the Akaviri would naturally of captured it first...

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:38 pm

By whose fault? Vvandenfell is one of the most northern parts of Tamriel, so the Akaviri would naturally of captured it first...

EDIT: Hey, I was right!

On the subject of Helseth, where the hell was he when the Argonians were invading? No point organising an army, eh?

Well, I think I can answer this the best (just look at my name). Helseth already had an army, he had to make one as soon as he became King, it's traditional. Where was he when the Argonians invaded? He was probably still in Mournhold, trying to control the chaos that spread from the Red Year. He would've sent an army to the border as soon as the Argonians started to invade. The Argonians just moved to fast and his army was attacked well before they reached the border and were caught off guard and defeated. Helseth then would've retreated with Barenziah in secret to Wayrest in High Rock (he has good connections there).

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:27 pm

On the subject of Helseth, where the hell was he when the Argonians were invading? No point organising an army, eh?

I wrote a long post but I lost it in a mix up. Basically, Vivec 'disappearing' is Bethesda's way of killing off the character without needing to specifically specify his fate.

By whose fault? Vvandenfell is one of the most northern parts of Tamriel, so the Akaviri would naturally of captured it first...

What army? Morrowind and most of it's inhabitants were effectively destroyed. They were easy picking for a united Argonian army under the rogue hist.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:28 pm

Vvardenfell is about a third of the size of Morrowind, so I'd argue that it would be incorrect to say 'most' of its inhabitants were killed.

My previous post was a tongue-in-cheek comment - Morrowind doesn't even have a national army, anyway.

[quote name='King Hlaalu Helseth' timestamp='1296462691' post='17098308']
Whoops. I was thinking that Akavir was to the east. Completly forgot it was north.

Nope, actually you're right. I'm not sure what I'm thinking of.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:53 pm

Well anyhow, the Argonians will never keep the dunmer down. The dunmeri people will strike back with vengeance.

before i wanted to be a Nord in skyrim, but i really like the rivalry between the argonians and dunmer, and the dunmer and the nords. I want to be one of the few, the dark elves, and bring prestige to our race.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:17 am

What I don't get is how this eruption could've been so bad, they went through it once already. From the UESP:

1E 668 - The War of the First Council; Vvardenfell erupts.
The first eruption of Morrowind's gigantic volcano, since known as Red Mountain. Ash spewed into the sky hides the sun for a year.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:35 am

That doesn't specifically say that red mountain actually erupted, it seems it just went into an active stage thus the large amount of ash into the atmosphere. And even if it did then considering the mojority of Vvardenfell was still Ashland 3 eras later I'd say it was pretty bad.

And even then that eruption didn't have the impact of a meteorite triggering it. And lore says this impact caused red mountain to explode. The explosion of such a large volcano certainly would have caused the devastation described in the infernal city. I'm surprised Vvardenfell isn't Just a huge caldera like Krakatoa was when it erupted

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:17 pm

I was just thinking... This eruption not only killed most uf the Dunmer, but maybe also the last of the Dwemer!

But I'm a bit off-topic, sorry.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:00 pm

I was just thinking... This eruption not only killed most uf the Dunmer, but maybe also the last of the Dwemer!

But I'm a bit off-topic, sorry.

I like to think that the dwemer got misplaced by by the gods for their blasphemous ways, which is an expressed possibility. I want to see them in Elder Scroll XII, when we venture away from tamriel.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:00 pm

I like to think that the dwemer got misplaced by by the gods for their blasphemous ways, which is an expressed possibility. I want to see them in Elder Scroll XII, when we venture away from tamriel.

I think by last living dwemer Mort Rouge meant Yagrum Bagarn living in Tel Fyr. Though maybe Divayth Fyr had enough time to evacuate most of his tower.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:26 am

I think by last living dwemer Mort Rouge meant Yagrum Bagarn living in Tel Fyr. Though maybe Divayth Fyr had enough time to evacuate most of his tower.

With his fancination with the Dwemer, the first thing he would've done is make sure Yagrum got out safely, then maybe his "wives/daughters/whatevers" and the Corprus victims.

That doesn't specifically say that red mountain actually erupted...

1E 668 - The War of the First Council; Vvardenfell erupts.
The first eruption of Morrowind's gigantic volcano, since known as Red Mountain. Ash spewed into the sky hides the sun for a year.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:32 pm

Yeah, the recent events in Morrowind should make for some interesting conflicts between the Dunmer and Argonians

Don't forget that by right, there's a reason why Dunmers will hate the Nords and Orcs as well:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Morrowind
After the Oblivion Crisis, the Nords and Orcs launched attacks from the north.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:45 pm

I don't think most people appreciate the power of a volcano. A eruption of the size they describe would be MASSIVE. It's likely people in High Rock could see the smoke from the eruption, and depending which way the wind blows, much of the continent may not have seen the sun for days, and seen ash deposits. They don't say how long the eruption lasted either, just that it exploded. So there is no telling if it was erupting for days or weeks...

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:49 am

I don't think most people appreciate the power of a volcano. A eruption of the size they describe would be MASSIVE. It's likely people in High Rock could see the smoke from the eruption, and depending which way the wind blows, much of the continent may not have seen the sun for days, and seen ash deposits. They don't say how long the eruption lasted either, just that it exploded. So there is no telling if it was erupting for days or weeks...

Well since it didn't reach Solstheim most of the mainland is probably fine too.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:34 am

And killed King Hlaalu Helseth and now has his awesome ring. (I probably shouldn't give people ideas...)

DON'T KILL KING HLAALU HELSETH.

Should've thought about that before you abolished slavery. I'm coming for you...

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:35 am

Well since it didn't reach Solstheim most of the mainland is probably fine too.

Honestly, I think this is poppycock. Poor writing by whoever wrote the lore. An explosion of the magnitude described by the damage in The Infernal City would had definatly cause damage to Solstheim. Even if there was a hurricane at the same time that blew ALL the ash East out into the ocean there still would have been massive tsunami's. I mean, it's just not possible that the island wasn't touched. Whoever wrote this lore didn't consider the full extent of the damage a massive volcanic eruption causes.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:46 pm

Honestly, I think this is poppycock. Poor writing by whoever wrote the lore. An explosion of the magnitude described by the damage in The Infernal City would had definatly cause damage to Solstheim. Even if there was a hurricane at the same time that blew ALL the ash East out into the ocean there still would have been massive tsunami's. I mean, it's just not possible that the island wasn't touched. Whoever wrote this lore didn't consider the full extent of the damage a massive volcanic eruption causes.

Realism dosen't really matter when it is already written in the lore. What's done is done.