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Neither. Outlanders must die!

Especially their leaders.

I think Ulfric surrendered thinking his men wouldn't be killed, maybe just arrested.

I base this off of Ralof's comment "Didn't want us to die for nothing I guess".

So it's likely he did surrender for them, but shouldn't he have known traitors were executed? Maybe its usually only the leader, and the Empire switched it up?

It's also possible he did so to be a martyr so he could be killed in front of a crowd, feeding the cause for Galmar to continue in his absence.

Why else would he surrender then? He only surrendered since he knew his soldiers would be massacared if he fought, so him surrendering would at least hopefully give his soldiers a chance to live. Alduin's attack at least allowed a chance for them to escape.

I'm sure Tullius disapproves, but then again I wouldn't expect loyalty from an Imperial

but Cider! wants to conquer Skyrim and make it a part of his Dunmer Velothian Empire.

I think the whole surrendering thing is uncharacteristic honestly, since Ulfric would fight to the death like a true nord instead of surrender if he truly respected old nordic culture.


I consider that more of payback for the nords taking over parts of Resdayn in the first era

And how does killing Outlanders interfere with this plan?

Yet his soldiers were also sent the chopping block,

Normally Ulfric would have gone down fighting like he does if the Imperials win but since he actually cares about his soldiers he was willing to take a chance and hope his soldiers could live if he surrendered.

All Dumbmer must Die.

The old nordic culture says die valiantly. That includes execution without fear.

Ulfric had no way of knowing that. If he fought, he and his men would have died anyway. At least if he surrendered there was a chance that his soldiers could live. A small chance is better than no chance.

Well I'm pretty sure there are a lot of Dunmer who would love to bring back slavery.

Ha Definitely House Dres, but the Redoran won't do it.

True, but they'd still want to cull the herd.

Oh how clever, but nah the Dunmer are too loved and too awesome to die, they have the most interesting lore out of any of the races, like seriously, nothing can compete with Dunmer lore. Their society was founded by gods, they had a leader who found a way to negate the thu'um and eat the heart out of a dwemer king, they had three god-kings who stopped two akaviri invasions and literally won at life, Vivec was the first known CHIMster, their political system is on of the few that always works and stopped the great houses from going into full blown wars (up until before the oblivion crisis due to Hlaalu and King Helseth) and there is so much more on them it's insane.


It says to die valiantly in COMBAT, execution =/= combat.

"Rolf could not believe his good fortune, and his foolishness for not having realized the truth so many years before. For death was the entrance to Sovngarde. So he was told by Shor himself, who greeted Rolf the Large as a brother, and personally handed him a leg of roast mutton and the hand of a comely wench. Sovngarde, Shor told him, can be entered by any Nord who dies valiantly in honorable combat."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sovngarde,_a_Reexamination

I dare you to start a topic titled this in the Morrowind General Discussion.

And then the Argonians come and massacre everyone again.

Still didn't stop Bethesda from utterly annihilating Morrowind. They may not kill them but they can sure give them every kick in the collective groin possible.

Yet the Dunmer still managed to beat back the argonian invaders, Morrowind's downfall was not the red year but how scattered the dunmer were, if they weren't scattered we have proof that they would've won in an instant.

You mean like how Hammerfell got kicked too?

*Half of Continent annhilated

*Fought a war by itself and won

Wrong answer. Please try again.

Except in rare cases where one forces their way into Sovngarde, it can supposedly only be reached by true Nords who die valiantly or in battle, regardless of personality. This excludes those afflicted with http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lycanthropy, as http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hircine takes them to his hunting grounds instead.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sovngarde

Trying to school me on something involving Nords?

Can you find an in-game source saying that the dying valiant part is correct?

Also notice the thing on the top of the page

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/UESPWiki:Lore_Places_Project

Meaning the lore on it could be wrong and I'm going with the original book that describes getting into sovngarde.

Damn straight. Then the Dunmer shall form a new Empire, where everyone is a slave!