Dunmer are they Evil, Good, Indifferent?

Post » Sun May 01, 2011 9:26 pm

really? Once I grease their pockets enough, even my nordic barbarian gets called "Sera" more often than not.


You think they're so kind? "Sera" is just "A r s e" in a different order.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 5:42 pm

You think they're so kind? "Sera" is just "A r s e" in a different order.



I've been called Serjo too. :P
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 1:40 am

I've been called Serjo too. :P

lol
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 11:57 pm

If you make a dunmer with different colored eyes or you use the lineage elves dunmer is that not role friendly?


Lineage elves? Eh. People create cross-universal characters because they recognise characteristics of both races that they like, but in my opinion it is infinitely cooler to operate only in one universe, and then flesh out the character in the context of that universe. Crossovers are lame.

As for physical attributes, that's entirely up to you and how lore-friendly you want your character to be. In current canon ES lore, you will never find a Dunmer with hazel eyes. Dunmer only have eyes in varying shades of red... and according to Morrowind lore, which is far more pertinent to the race, the entire eye is tinted, including the sclera. Think of the http://www.scifi.com/dune_2k/images/gallery/2paul1.jpg in the Dune canon, but red.

Unless the Dunmer in question is a vampire, that is.

You aren't able to discern the colour of Vivec's eyes as far as I'm aware. However, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/vivec_face.jpg of Vivec shows that his Chimer eye was purplish/blue. However, you won't find a Chimer in modern Tamriel, so the point is moot.

Note: In Morrowind vampires did not have the same faded red-iris eyes that Oblivion vampires have. Their eyes were irisless and pupilless; kind of like http://www.maj.com/gallery/Astion/TheElderScrolls/TheDragonBreak/moth_priest.jpg.


Dunmer aren't any of those, they just have no manners.


The Dunmer have a very strict system of morals and propriety. That system just so happens to be foreign to most ways of thinking. In a way, they're probably one of the most consistently moral people in Tamriel, insofar as their prudery, House Laws and xenophobia are concerned.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 4:13 pm

The dunmeri culture is based upon morals and honour espically in morrowind were the temeple has alot of influence (which is very dunmer centred), dunmer in morrowind are hateful and angry towards other races from the western provinces because they are trying to change their culture.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 2:27 pm

Lineage elves? Eh. People create cross-universal characters because they recognise characteristics of both races that they like, but in my opinion it is infinitely cooler to operate only in one universe, and then flesh out the character in the context of that universe. Crossovers are lame.

As for physical attributes, that's entirely up to you and how lore-friendly you want your character to be. In current canon ES lore, you will never find a Dunmer with hazel eyes. Dunmer only have eyes in varying shades of red... and according to Morrowind lore, which is far more pertinent to the race, the entire eye is tinted, including the sclera. Think of the http://www.scifi.com/dune_2k/images/gallery/2paul1.jpg in the Dune canon, but red.


I guess I don't mind the occasional crossover, but I love the ES universe so much that I want to experience it just as it is. The same way I wanted to experience Star Wars in Star Wars Galaxies, only to be submerged in... something else. My very first ES character was the Nerevarine and since I didn't know squat about lore I chose to become a Bosmer priest for the Imperial Cult, dedicated to wiping out the heretical false gods of the Tribunal Temple. After a few hours of play, I realized that things weren't going to be as cut-and-dry as a common fantasy setting but that just made me enjoy role-playing all the more. The great thing about the Elder Scrolls is that you can justify just about any sort of "role" for your character to take on. I find a shallow-minded wood elf priest determined to wipe out demigods he can't truly understand much more interesting than just "the good priest who is dedicated to striking downthe evil deities". On one level, it's the same thing, but the depth makes all the difference.

Muzgob on the left over there started off in my mind as an ex-petty thug from Orsinium who was determined to prove that all orcs aren't monsters by becoming a great mage. And boy did he. But in the process he did some really monstrous stuff. Gotta love TES lore...

I guess the point is:
Play the character you want to play. You can probably find a way to justify it in the lore. I mean, unless you want to play a winged cat-woman with glowing purple eyes. In which case you probably don't give a squirt about the lore anyway... ;)
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 10:16 pm

I guess I don't mind the occasional crossover, but I love the ES universe so much that I want to experience it just as it is. The same way I wanted to experience Star Wars in Star Wars Galaxies, only to be submerged in... something else. My very first ES character was the Nerevarine and since I didn't know squat about lore I chose to become a Bosmer priest for the Imperial Cult, dedicated to wiping out the heretical false gods of the Tribunal Temple. After a few hours of play, I realized that things weren't going to be as cut-and-dry as a common fantasy setting but that just made me enjoy role-playing all the more. The great thing about the Elder Scrolls is that you can justify just about any sort of "role" for your character to take on. I find a shallow-minded wood elf priest determined to wipe out demigods he can't truly understand much more interesting than just "the good priest who is dedicated to striking downthe evil deities". On one level, it's the same thing, but the depth makes all the difference.

Muzgob on the left over there started off in my mind as an ex-petty thug from Orsinium who was determined to prove that all orcs aren't monsters by becoming a great mage. And boy did he. But in the process he did some really monstrous stuff. Gotta love TES lore...

I guess the point is:
Play the character you want to play. You can probably find a way to justify it in the lore. I mean, unless you want to play a winged cat-woman with glowing purple eyes. In which case you probably don't give a squirt about the lore anyway... ;)

I actually plan on making a story. Also the human race cant you basically just say they are imperials. I mean they basically look the same. The diifference is that they start out with probably better facial shapes than the default imperial but they look the same.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 6:21 pm

I actually plan on making a story. Also the human race cant you basically just say they are imperials. I mean they basically look the same. The diifference is that they start out with probably better facial shapes than the default imperial but they look the same.

They really aren't the same though.
Bretons have elven blood.
Redguards are an entirely different race from Yokuda.
I'm not 100% sure of the difference between Nords and Imperials however...

Also, there's different cultures...American and British culture, similar, both look the same I guess...but we don't refer to them both as "The British" or "The Americans."
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 10:59 pm

I'm not 100% sure of the difference between Nords and Imperials however...

Nords are more directly related to the Atmorans, and "Imperials" have more mixed blood with Tamriells aboriginal humans, if I'm not mistaken. Then you could go further, and split up "Imperials" into Colovians and Nibeneans.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 2:50 pm

Nords are more directly related to the Atmorans, and "Imperials" have more mixed blood with Tamriells aboriginal humans, if I'm not mistaken. Then you could go further, and split up "Imperials" into Colovians and Nibeneans.


The Colovian and Nibonese spil is important. Well, historically. Colovians have much more Nordic blood and influence. The Nibonese are largely Nedic and have some very different customs, and past. Colovians would be much more familiar to us (and is very much how ALL imperials were portrayed in Oblivion), while the Nibonese would be very alien. According to the PGE and the Nibonay history.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 2:11 pm

The dunmeri culture is based upon morals and honour espically in morrowind were the temeple has alot of influence (which is very dunmer centred), dunmer in morrowind are hateful and angry towards other races from the western provinces because they are trying to change their culture.

Precisely. They are often misinterpreted due to thier looks and belief system. This explains why the dunmer are so resistant to you in Morrowind.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 4:23 pm

Precisely. They are often misinterpreted due to thier looks and belief system. This explains why the dunmer are so resistant to you in Morrowind.

Are they resistent if you play as a dunmer?
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 1:04 am

Are they resistent if you play as a dunmer?

Indeed. They still acknowledge you as an outlander. How they know, I do not.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 6:51 pm

Are they resistent if you play as a dunmer?


You are still an outlander even if you are Dunmer. You have foreign ways that will give you away to any Morrowind-born Dunmer.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 6:05 pm

Indeed. They still acknowledge you as an outlander. How they know, I do not.

When asked they will tell you that they are very sensitive to accents and customs and can easily tell if a dunmer was raised outside morrowind or not.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 6:04 pm

You are still an outlander even if you are Dunmer. You have foreign ways that will give you away to any Morrowind-born Dunmer.

Ah and I was thinking and in a sense to me morrowind sounds kind of like Israel. I mean of course the dunmer actually look different and no I am not trying to bring religion into this even though I happen to be jewish lol. I say this because Israel is like a crossroads like morrowind. It seems to resist change or hostile takeover from foreign nations like morrowind. It has ways that are different from the west. Also if you learn about American history even when jewish immigrants came we managed to maintain our culture and resent attempts to change it. Thats like the dunmer too lol. If there is something wrong with this post plz just let me know I dont personally think its inappropriate but sometimes its hard to tell.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 10:27 pm

Ah and I was thinking and in a sense to me morrowind sounds kind of like Israel. I mean of course the dunmer actually look different and no I am not trying to bring religion into this even though I happen to be jewish lol. I say this because Israel is like a crossroads like morrowind. It seems to resist change or hostile takeover from foreign nations like morrowind. It has ways that are different from the west. Also if you learn about American history even when jewish immigrants came we managed to maintain our culture and resent attempts to change it. Thats like the dunmer too lol. If there is something wrong with this post plz just let me know I dont personally think its inappropriate but sometimes its hard to tell.

It seems ok because you make a valid point. I agree with your observations of Morrowind. The dunmer who want only to keep there traditions and culture are often givin a bad rap because of this. Often seen as rebellious or hostile, are the dunmeri.
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 2:32 am

It seems ok because you make a valid point. I agree with your observations of Morrowind. The dunmer who want only to keep there traditions and culture are often givin a bad rap because of this. Often seen as rebellious or hostile, are the dunmeri.

yeah for some reason the world hates us. There are people who see us as having horns and tails and they all resent us for various different reasons. The Dunmer seem to face this. Also remember as the Chimer the Dunmer came from Summerset Isle. Summerset isle is the oldest elven culture still in existence at the time of Oblivion and Morrowind. They then change. In the case of the Israelis they left homes which had different cultures and developed their own.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 5:18 pm

I always though of Dunmer as a sort of Native american espically the ashlanders, being pushed to live in certain areas, Non-elves trying to take their land and so on
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 11:24 pm

Ok well I read the first too thus far and now I get who the tribunal is so what I dont get is what happened to the Nerevar and is the hero in Morrowind the Nevarine the Nevarars reincarnation?

There are multiple stories about what happened to Neravar. You hear them towards the end of the MQ--do you really want us to tell you? And yes, the Neravarine is Lord Neravar's reincarnation.

Wait someone please tell me the dwemer arent evil! or is the third link biased too?

There is no http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysChaoticEvil in Tamriel. The Dwemer were creepy and not trustworthy, but not evil. You
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meet one later in the MQ, and he's quite helpful.

Is it more fun to roleplay a dunmer as male or female or does it not matter and also what does valen dreth say if you are male I already heard him try to court you if you are female ahaha

Roleplaying a female is http://imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b070_jokes.shtml :)

If you are a male Dunmer, Dreth asks where you're from, then says he will "take good care of" your wife when he gets out and you're dead.
Wow they wanted to destroy the world they sound like fundamentalists of any religion. lol

And yet they subscribe to no religion at all.
Ah and I was thinking and in a sense to me morrowind sounds kind of like Israel. I mean of course the dunmer actually look different and no I am not trying to bring religion into this even though I happen to be jewish lol. I say this because Israel is like a crossroads like morrowind. It seems to resist change or hostile takeover from foreign nations like morrowind. It has ways that are different from the west. Also if you learn about American history even when jewish immigrants came we managed to maintain our culture and resent attempts to change it. Thats like the dunmer too lol. If there is something wrong with this post plz just let me know I dont personally think its inappropriate but sometimes its hard to tell.

Morrowind always seemed rather New Testament-ish to me. On top of what you said, the player character fills a Messianic role, and the land is ruled by an Empire blatently based on Ancient Rome.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 3:09 pm

There is no http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysChaoticEvil in Tamriel. The Dwemer were creepy and not trustworthy, but not evil. You
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meet one later in the MQ, and he's quite helpful.

The dwemer were just fascinated with technology and logic, whether trying to prove or disprove it. There habits may have been interpreted as evil or harmful, but in thier eyes it was all in the pursuit of science. There downfall could be contributed to the fact that they were actually too intelligent for thier own good. IMHO
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 9:11 pm

The dwarves actually believed that the gods and the deadra could be overcome through logic.And as far as the dunmer they are the same as any race,they want to keep their heritage and traditions.
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Post » Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 am

There are multiple stories about what happened to Neravar. You hear them towards the end of the MQ--do you really want us to tell you? And yes, the Neravarine is Lord Neravar's reincarnation.
There is no http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysChaoticEvil in Tamriel. The Dwemer were creepy and not trustworthy, but not evil. You
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meet one later in the MQ, and he's quite helpful.


Roleplaying a female is http://imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b070_jokes.shtml :)

If you are a male Dunmer, Dreth asks where you're from, then says he will "take good care of" your wife when he gets out and you're dead.

And yet they subscribe to no religion at all.

Morrowind always seemed rather New Testament-ish to me. On top of what you said, the player character fills a Messianic role, and the land is ruled by an Empire blatently based on Ancient Rome.

Yeah Israel or Palestine as it was called was a rebellious Roman province.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 3:43 pm

That's like asking if people of a certain race in humanity are good or evil. Sure, some groups of blacks go around shooting people for being in their neighborhood, but some of them fight for rights and save people. Dunmer are the same; they're not good or evil as a whole, but some are good, some are evil.
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Post » Sun May 01, 2011 7:50 pm

That's like asking if people of a certain race in humanity are good or evil. Sure, some groups of blacks go around shooting people for being in their neighborhood, but some of them fight for rights and save people. Dunmer are the same; they're not good or evil as a whole, but some are good, some are evil.

lol ok
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