I wanted to know more about the Dunmer because I havent gotten too far into morrowind yet and they seem to have very interesting lore. Also I wanted to know about the curse put on them by Azura because I dont really get that and didnt the tribunal do something to Azura?

Besides the question I asked above can you either link me to information about the Dunmer in lore or tell me about it. Thanks

They are no more evil, good, or indifferent then any other race.

Oh well I kind of thought the high elves were actually more hateful than them. They are much more pompous the dark elves are just distrusting from the looks of it except Mordryn Oreyn of course. Hes probably the coolest dark elf in oblivion.

Probably the most developed race in Tamriel, I'd say. Most interesting at that too.

Any reading on it or explanations you guys can give since you are lore masters or in your case lord tea masters.

Here's a bit for starters:
http://www.imperial-library.info/pge/morrowind.shtml (Warning, bias inside)
http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/morrowind.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/#dunmer

Ok well I read the first too thus far and now I get who the tribunal is so what I dont get is what happened to the Nerevar and is the hero in Morrowind the Nevarine the Nevarars reincarnation?

Wait someone please tell me the dwemer arent evil! or is the third link biased too?

Like all discussions about cultures, their "Wickedness" is relative.


The Dwemer were inscrutable, even by their contemporaries in their prime. As such, they had an inescapable degree of being "Alien", and with it, suspicion and ridicule/hatred.
Thus, it is not unrealistic to believe that the dwemer were held to be more wicked (Producing "unnatural abominations", "Defiling the natural order", "Profaning divine inspiration", etc...) than they actually were.
If one thing holds true in the TES universe, it is that there simply *IS NO SUCH THING* as "Purely Evil."
Every race is capable of evil, and every race is capable of Good--- Evil and Good being culturally relative descriptors based on innate cultural biases.


The Imperial Cult would have been seen as abhorrently wicked to a dwemer.

http://www.imperial-library.info/races/dark_elf.shtml

All books are biased. Just like in real life. That's part of what makes TES lore so rich. In a D&D game, you read "orcs are evil barbarians" and that's the http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod. You can't have an orc that is a good barbarian or an evil bourgeois.

In TES, you read "orcs are evil barbarians" and that's just the fictional author's bias. Sure, many orcs are aggressive barbarians, and they're not liked by most other races. And they were still officially considered as monsters by the Empire. Doesn't mean they actually are monsters; and indeed you get to meet many orcs which simply aren't evil at all.

The Dunmer have the most sinister reputation of all races, what with their legal practice of slavery and assassination and their open worship of three daedra (though the Tribunal Temple has cut down on this later point as strongly as it could). In fact, you'll find in Dunmer culture many of the elements that defined the Drow in D&D, the aforementioned slavery and assassinations, the oppressive strength of the clergy, the fascination with creepy-crawlies (though it's scarabs rather than spiders), and even originally the underground part, as at the height of its activity the Red Mountain was constantly covering the land with a ceiling of smoke making the whole province look like it was a large cavern.

But it is so much more than that. Because it's been fleshed out in a way that makes sense and the Dunmeri culture has reasons for its aspects others than simply "we're evil, bwahaha, let's go kick puppies to prove to the audience that we're evil."

The Dunmer, simply put, became realistic people. So, sure, many of them are still bastards. But not all. And they're bastards to varying degrees. It's possible to empathize with them. And the other races do not appear to be really that much better than them. There are good and bad people in every bunch, no clear-cut black and white with the dark elves as all bad.


The Dwemer most certainly weren't evil. Frightening, blasphemous, yes. Evil? The only places where they're shown as being cruel is in the Sermons of Vivec, where they capture and vivisect Vivec's mother by curiosity, and one of Marobar Sul's pieces where the editor's note make it clear that the text wasn't actually about Dwemer originally, but about Dunmer and it was adapted to not displease a Dunmer audience.

Is it more fun to roleplay a dunmer as male or female or does it not matter and also what does valen dreth say if you are male I already heard him try to court you if you are female ahaha

One of the ways I think about the dwemer, is to think about them as if they were actually extra-terrestrial aliens. (They WERENT, but their culture was alien enough that they might as well have been.) Imagine if energy beings from the 16th transcendent universe suddenly popped out of a big glowing thing, and took up residence on the earth, and went about trying to prove that our universe was false, using sciences and principles that simply dont exist naturally in our universe (but do in theirs)-- and that they live next door to you.

They make wonderous and strange devices which defy rational explanations, and do some very odd things which we consider abhorrent, frightening, or terrible--- but they are not concerned with them, and treat them as part of every day life, like eating, sleeping, or going to the bathroom.

People will naturally be distrustful of them, spin wild stories of how they use their technologies and knowledge in ways to secretly wish to enslave and torment everybody, despite a lack of evidence. The innate alien nature of them will make it difficult for them to set the record straight, as their accusers would simply say that "OF COURSE they DENY it!", and the like.


The reality is that they are people, just like you--- Just "Different," and with different perspectives and mores.

Were they evil? Certainly not. Was what they were doing potentially cataclysmically dangerous for the mundus? Oh, most certainly! Were they strange and alien beyond the comprehension of their peers? For a certitude.

To a person who considers the mundus to be a nice, safe, perfect, and wonderful creation made by the gods out of love for their children, what the dwemer were up to would have seen utterly horrible; Like other Mer, they wanted the current, faulted world GONE, and wanted no part of it. They saw nothing wrong with trying to destroy it, and escape. Many people consider a desire to destroy the world to be a sign of being sadistically evil-- Especially when there is a lack of concern for the other people who live on said world. The reality of the matter, is that the dwemer felt that destroying the mundus would be a good thing for EVERY aspect trapped inside it, and NOT just themselves.

So, were the dwemer would-be saviors stopped by a daedric plot? Or were they sadistic crazies hell bent on destroying the world who's plans were righteously foiled by heroic champions of the divine?


Both are true.

Wow they wanted to destroy the world they sound like fundamentalists of any religion. lol

What do you think the Anumidum was for? it was meant to be a divine anti-creation, and means of allowing ALL spirits to escape the prison of mundus. In a sense, it was a doomsday machine, for the sole intent of destroying the mundus.

wow they really were crazy not evil just crazy.

Strange how the line between genius and insanity is so thin, isn't it?

Yes, genius and insanity are two sides of the same coin. Just ask Tarhiel.

Recently Dunmer become my favorite or one of my 3 favorite races as I have always disliked the altmer and the bosmer's sick culture turned me off leaving me with what I didnt no was quite as awesome as it is and it really is that awesome!

If you make a dunmer with different colored eyes or you use the lineage elves dunmer is that not role friendly?

I don't think the Dunmer can change the colour of thier eyes though, Mike. Vampires have changed eyes, and I am pretty sure Vivec has one red eye and one green? eye or some other colour.

And it's blood-red eyes that the Dunmer should be portrayed as having. The Tribunal betrayed the Heart of Lorkhan, and the Dunmer live in a land of His Blood. Azura didn't cause the Chimer to take on some strawberry/faintly bloodshot eyes that the Oblivion monstrosities had.

So are you saying that its ok for role or not because I like the red eyes but I dont like their voice. Is there a mod that makes their voices deeper and more you know morrowindy heheeh

Yes, but Vivec was also supposedly Chimer; and vampires, they have red eyes, don't they?

Yes, well he has the appearance of half Chimer/Dunmer. I half the time I really don't know what Vehk is.

He's a god. That's all you need to know.



Roleplaying up to you. I think there is an mod trying to atone for the crime of Dunmer's voices in Oblivion, but I don't know where. Try OB Mod subforum.

Dunmer aren't any of those, they just have no manners.

Oh

really? Once I grease their pockets enough, even my nordic barbarian gets called "Sera" more often than not.