Maybe the 70 less dungeons will make some of the 130 dungeons bigger like 3 areas is possibly the standard size of a dungeon instead of 2. With the Creation engine I'm hoping for some sick looking dungeons.

I just hope it is not like New Vegas where invisible walls dont allow you to climb over mountains...

Imagine using the 3d view to actually un-puzzle the Dwemer Puzzle Box!

Have you ever walked in MW? I thought so.

Please stop moaning about fast travel. It's embarassing, you sound like a spoiled rich kid not getting their own way.
It's so trivial it's pathetic, fast travel is completely optional anyway, it's not as if it's forced on you.

I love the 3d item feature. I will be able to fully look at my sword in all it's glory. I also don't mind it looking "non alien". Skyrim never sounded alien looking in lore anyway.

If the OP quoted correctly, it's "Five big cities and more than 130 dungeons."
I just counted all the dungeons on a full-scale Oblivion map. I made it to 213 totally. Perhaps it won't be as bad as I think... but perhaps it will be. I still think 130 would be too much for a size of Oblivion. I'd say rather 70 for a size of Oblivion.
But 70 would be too little then. So the map would have to be bigger...

It's a tough situation, I think.
Pretty sure it's also too late to increase the map size...
So all I can say is -sadface-

Nothing to worry about. New Vegas was Obsidian's game, Bethesda does open world better.

+1 :banghead:

I'm NOT comparing those two series. I'm just pointing out the message that the point said, that's all. NOTHING MORE!!!!!

Well said. I would add to your list Gothic 3 where the world was not as large as Oblivion but you could find interesting unique locations all over the map. Gothic 3 had teleportation between big cities too, but first you had to find the teleportation rune for each of them, some being hidden or guarded in dungeons.

The size is definetely a factor for me. In morrowind it was so fun that there was towns everywhere etc, now it's only 5 big cities that will probably look like carbon copies of each other(like in oblivion).

For all the complaints about 130 dungeons, here are some numbers for you people:

Oblivion has the following:

54 Ayleid Ruins
54 Forts
24 Mines
91 Caves
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223 of what could be considered dungeons


If Skyrim only has 130 such locations, we are talking about a 38-42% reduction in dungeons.

Remember that one complaint about Oblivion was that its dungeons were far too close together. You could go into a dungeon, come out, and find one immediately over the next hill, and so on. It got pretty silly, and took out the fun of exploring (especially since there was literally like 3 dungeons that had unique loot in them, that was another issue, though).

Don't forget the Oblivion gates.

Have you ever played Morrowind? It's map was smaller than Oblivion's yet it felt gigantic, and with all those moutains blocking your vision and path it looked even bigger.

Or did you play Fallout 3? It's a little bit smaller than Cyrodiil due to the DC Ruins that weren't actually all explorable but still took a lot of space in the map. Still, it felt very big for 2 reasons:

1- It was very detailed, you would stop to appreciate the detail of ruined settlement for hours, plus the locations were all very interesting to explore, slowing you down a lot.

2- The world wasn't a bowl like Oblivion where you could get to a corner and see literally everything.

And who's to say that Skyrim might have more then 130 dungeons and also we aren't even counting locations that aren't dungeons which could make the number higher.

This.

It seems Betheseda is choosing quality over quantity. A wise choice in my opinion.

True, but you should remember that there was Fallout 3 after Oblivion, that already fixed many commonly raised issues of Oblivion. The dungeons in Fallout 3 were less closely placed, and included unique stuff.

I cannot confirm whether dungeons are locations. This is an exact quotation:

"There are five big cities, and more than/atleast 130 dungeons and other interesting locations that the player can discover."

There is no comma in between 'dungeons' and 'and', which suggests that 130 is the number for both the dungeons, and the other locations. I can't definitely make up out of the text if '130' refers to 'dungeons', or to 'dungeons and other interesting locations' though.

Interestingly, 'More than' (minstens in Dutch) literally means "At Least." It is as if the previewer asked the team how much locations there are in the game, and they answered "At least 130." So, more than does not have to mean that there are 134 or 136 dungeons; it could also be that they are adding many more dungeons later in the process.

Oblivion is my fav game, its still very popular to mod. Bad games don't maintain a large mod community. Only the best games can keep a large mod community over many years like Oblivion(FO3 and MW too).

Fast travel is no big deal as long as we have an alternative (a transportation system). the article did not say that we wont.
I thought Cyrodiil was varied in landscape, just not fantastical like Morrowind. I hope Skyrim has a varied landscape, but I am afraid it wont be as much as Cyrodill's.

20 hours is plenty for the main quest for me. It will most likely take at least a month for me to complete it anyway, much like Oblivion did.

I do need more explanation of how we start the game. Hopefully a dev can shine some light on that.

Good to see you have been paying attention! :shakehead:

They only said 5 main cities but they didn't mention the small villages which might push the total number higher.