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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:30 am

Yagrum might still be alive... he's hardly even a dwemer anymore though.
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:32 pm

Yagrum might still be alive...

Not likely.
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:10 pm

i think in morrowind there was a questline w/ one of the last dwarves. they are kinda extinct OP...
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:37 am

Like Velorien said and what has been previously mention, dwemer crafted items DON'T rust or degrade.. and those that are already "in circulation" among adventures and collectors can still be repaired by skilled smiths and mages.. unless they are to damaged.. but nobody can remake the way the dwemer crafted their inventions and tools.


But they DO degrade, or else they wouldn't need to be repaired. How can modern craftsman replicate the dwemer smithing techniques to repair them anyway?
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:59 pm

The Rourken probably built settlements in Skyrim during their migration to Hammerfell. Or for all we know Dwemer ruins could be concentrated along the western and eastern borders of the province, near Hammerfell and Morrowind. Nothing says their ruins are going to be all over the place, front and center.

As for their weapons and armors still being present in large numbers: the Dwemer were VERY prolific and their craftsmanship did not rust or deteriorate. Also, a lot of the armor pieces people wear are actually the outer casing of the guardians they used to build. In other words: Dwemer were building steam powered robots while the other races were busy fighting with sharp sticks and rocks.
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:24 pm

But they DO degrade, or else they wouldn't need to be repaired. How can modern craftsman replicate the dwemer smithing techniques to repair them anyway?


Come on, you could ask the same [censored] about daedric weapons.
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:23 am

But they DO degrade, or else they wouldn't need to be repaired. How can modern craftsman replicate the dwemer smithing techniques to repair them anyway?

Well they degrade very slowly to the point of basically not degrading at all. The Dwemer Centurians and spheres were still active and functional in Morrowind centuries and centuries after the Dwemer's disappearance.
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:44 pm

1. (Grammar Nazi activated) The plural form of Dwarf is Dwarves.

2. They're known as the Dwemer. They are tall dwarves, if that makes sense (They're not the traditional kind.)

3. As been stated before, their weapons/technology never rust or deteriorate. That's why you see them in game. There's also confirmed Dwemer ruins in Skyrim.

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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:55 am

Wasn't there a Dwarf in someones basemant in Morrowind during one of the quests?

Or is my memory going?
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:46 pm

Wasn't there a Dwarf in someones basemant in Morrowind during one of the quests?

Or is my memory going?

Yagrum Bagarn, but he was disfigured due to the corpus disease. He was in Divayth Fyr's basemant, and if anyone could keep Yagrum alive, it would be Divayth Fyr.
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:05 pm

1. (Grammar Nazi activated) The plural form of Dwarf is Dwarves.



That's actually an invention by J.R.R. Tolkien.
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:01 pm

Eh, so use magic and make some new dwemer.

What? It could happen, a wizard has 'done it' before. (i mean the saying, not that an actual wizard conjured an actual dwemer in the actual elder scrolls :P)

I mean, there was that 'lucky' dwemer in morrowind that survived. Use his bones in a magic ritual or something, make some dwemer babies. :)
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:01 am

That's actually an invention by J.R.R. Tolkien.

:o

I did not know that. Thanks for the fact! :)
I'd edit my post, but I'm using an Ipod.
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:37 pm

That's actually an invention by J.R.R. Tolkien.

well the plural for "wharf" is "wharves". wolf is wolves, wife is wives, knife is knives, staff is staves (even though the spell-check on this website thinks otherwise.)

and when dwarf is used in different sense: When talking about the type of star you'd say "two white-dwarves".

EDIT: found this though:
"The plural form of staff was originally staves (compare wolf, wolves and knife, knives), and in British and International English this is still preferred. In American English the usual plural form has become staffs, except in fantasy literature. The old English plural form staves collectively describes the wooden sticks bound by iron hoops to form traditional wooden barrels."

so i guess i was kinda wrong about staffs, except for in fantasy literature, which in a way means TES.
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:16 am

Eh, so use magic and make some new dwemer.

What? It could happen, a wizard has 'done it' before. (i mean the saying, not that an actual wizard conjured an actual dwemer in the actual elder scrolls :P)

I mean, there was that 'lucky' dwemer in morrowind that survived. Use his bones in a magic ritual or something, make some dwemer babies. :)

There is nothing left of his bones by now, Vvardenfell is gone, smashed, boom, esploded. Lava everywhere.
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:45 am

I mean, there was that 'lucky' dwemer in morrowind that survived. Use his bones in a magic ritual or something, make some dwemer babies. :)
The process of cloning was something Dyviath Fyr would not like to repeat. If he were to try it on YB, bad results would likely occur, due to YB being nothing more than a giant tumor with his mind slipping away.

Even if dwemer clones were made, they would not really be dwemer. A huge thing that defines a race is its culture. Dwemer culture and thought is dead, and has been since they were absorbed into the Numidium to become its golden skin. And frankly, the process is irreversible, unless the devs pulls something completely out of their ass. Even if YB was the be the standard, he would be a poor standard, as he has forgotten much of the past, save for some lucid moments, and as time progresses, it's very likely he'll end up going completely mad, as opposed to half mad.

The dwemer are gone, and bringing them back would seriously cheapen the series.
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:24 am

There is nothing left of his bones by now, Vvardenfell is gone, smashed, boom, esploded. Lava everywhere.


When did that happen? Was it in a book in Oblivion or something? I must have missed that! :sad:
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:43 am

The dwemer are gone, and bringing them back would seriously cheapen the series.

I think in The Elder Scrolls XIV: Journey to the Center of Nirn, we should find a large civilization of Dwemer.


EDIT: Is Nirn even supposed to be spherical? probably. it is a fantasy world however so i don't know.
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:42 am

The process of cloning was something Dyviath Fyr would not like to repeat. If he were to try it on YB, bad results would likely occur, due to YB being nothing more than a giant tumor with his mind slipping away.

Even if dwemer clones were made, they would not really be dwemer. A huge thing that defines a race is its culture. Dwemer culture and thought is dead, and has been since they were absorbed into the Numidium to become its golden skin. And frankly, the process is irreversible, unless the devs pulls something completely out of their ass. Even if YB was the be the standard, he would be a poor standard, as he has forgotten much of the past, save for some lucid moments, and as time progresses, it's very likely he'll end up going completely mad, as opposed to half mad.

The dwemer are gone, and bringing them back would seriously cheapen the series.


I agree with you and you make some great points, but I don't think it would cheapen the series, and the fun would be in seeing a new culture come to surface from a dead race. Maybe not the most original idea, but I'm not a writer. :)
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:07 am

well the plural for "wharf" is "wharves". wolf is wolves, wife is wives, knife is knives, staff is staves (even though the spell-check on this website thinks otherwise.)

and when dwarf is used in different sense: When talking about the type of star you'd say "two white-dwarves".

EDIT: found this though:
so i guess i was kinda wrong about staffs, except for in fantasy literature, which in a way means TES.


This is why I just go with adding a v for plural, it just sounds right, grammatically correctness are be damnededness!
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:27 am

but their culture is dead. You'd be creating utter fakes, who are beyond the shadow of their former existence. Not to mention us lore followers would just writhe and cringe in pain.
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:32 am

When did that happen? Was it in a book in Oblivion or something? I must have missed that! :sad:

It's revealed in the first Elder Scrolls novel, The Infernal City.
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:10 am

if there are going to be the weapons in the game make sure its easily explained. if the creator no longer exist then the weapons shouldn't ether


That's why we have bronze age Greeks, iron age vikings, and colonial era Americans running amok....

The weapons are artifacts. Yes, the Dwarves have been gone for so long that most real life weapons would not be usable, but we must remember that they are of extremely high quality.

Also, it's not hard to imagine someone at least recreating a few. There was that one replica in the Archer's Paradox shop in Oblivion, even if it wasn't equivalent.

well the plural for "wharf" is "wharves". wolf is wolves, wife is wives, knife is knives, staff is staves (even though the spell-check on this website thinks otherwise.)

and when dwarf is used in different sense: When talking about the type of star you'd say "two white-dwarves".


I know generally that both "dwarfs" and "dwarves" are accepted, but I'd think in astronomy, you'd say "two white dwarfs" because the "dwarf" is descriptive. It's a dwarf-star. So two would be "two dwarf-stars" or "two dwarfs."

Of course, as with regular English, both could be accepted.
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Post » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:49 am

but their culture is dead. You'd be creating utter fakes, who are beyond the shadow of their former existence. Not to mention us lore followers would just writhe and cringe in pain.

Well was it 100% confirmed they were all dead? I never read much of any of the books, but this is what i took out of Morrowind:

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- The Dwemer pissed off a god for creating an abomonation that gave mortals the power of gods, so the god made all the dwarves in Tamriel disappear
- Yagrum was on another continent, so he didn't disappear, and he spent his whole life in vain looking for another dwarf.
- They mentioned a possibility that the dwemer have been "misplaced" somewhere else by the gods (but in tribunal it looks like they got turned to ash/exterminated)

So, I'm obviously not a lore-master, but it seems that some dwarves might still be alive on another continent, or perhaps they were swept away to another plain of existence.

i forget if the spirit of Radac Stungnthumz cleared up any of this info.
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Post » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:39 pm

Just found a screenshot of a guy working on a http://skyrimguild.com/could-the-dwemer-be-making-a-comeback-in-skyrim/. Anyone else seen this?
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