I know that TES lore didn't really take hold until Daggerfall yet something perplexes me. In Arena, Fang Lair is the first dungeon you are to find a piece of the Staff of Chaos, but the in-game screen has a Castle/Tower with a stone dragon and an Imperial Dragon logo on it. With it being in Hammerfell, does this represent the lost Dwemer that left Morrowind? Or could it be the Akavir Men/dwarves that escaped the Dragons of Akaviri? (maybe they are the generic short stubbly dwarves, easily one bite for a dragon.) Maybe the Redguard Adventure Game's dwarves are the decendents of these dwarves.

I can't find any info on them so I wanted to see what you guys think.

First of all, your link takes me to the Japanese Yahoo... Secondly, let me clarify what you are saying before I make any assumptions: In Arena, in Hammerfell, there is a castle with an Imperial dragon statue? I might be missing something, but how do you take the Imperial dragon to be a sign of dwarves in Hammerfell? The Imperial Dragon represents the Empire, which has probably (can't remember off the top of my head) invaded Hammerfell more than once before the Eternal Champion. Are you also suggesting that the men of Akavir escaped onto Tamriel and migrated to Hammerfell? For one thing, the men of Akavir were eaten by the Tsaesci, not the dragons.

I'm sure this would make more sense with your picture, but as I cannot seem to get that either, I would very much appreciate it if you could clarify these things for me. Thanks

http://images.uesp.net//e/e1/AR-Img-FangLair.jpg

Fang lair is indeed a Dwarven Dwemer dungeon, 'real' Dwarves don't exist and have never existed.

I don't know if this has been cleared up by someone I just had questions regarding where these dwarves came from. Morrowind had Dwemer and the Redguard game had dwemer of its own, but on an island not on the mainland correct? Seeing that the Lair is in Hammerfell can we assume that these are the one in the same, or are they something else?

In Arena, Ria tells you "It is said that Fang Lair was originally built by the Dwarves of Kragen. Legend has it that a Great Wyrm drove the Dwarves from their home in the Dragon's Teeth, and took the Lair for itself."

Where is this "Kragen"?

A Great Wyrm? Meaning the dragons of Akavir, black or red dragons or was it the Tiger-Dragon Tosh Raka? I know that the dragons of Akavir were ate or enslaved and Tosh would never leave to chase down these "dwarves" and certainly not take their home for a lair.

I thought it strange to see an Akaviri dragon logo on it, or is it? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:AR-Img-FangLair.jpg

Yes it's Imperial but it came from Akaviri the "Snake-Men", right?

I just want someone to help me understand this. Does all this already connect with established lore or is it just an early series mistake?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer



Kragen is probably not a place, but a person. Kagrenac is the most famous member of the dwarven/dwemeri race. He was chief total architect in Vvardenfell, and may be to blame for the disappearance of his race. None-the-less, it was in his presence (dead or alive) that the Heart of Lorkhan was tinkered with and the Dwarven race reduced to ashes in mere moments.

While Kragrenac most probably had no hand in the construction of Fang Lair, he is, as I said, very famous and probably one of the few Dwarves known by name throughout Tamriel. Think of it as saying "The Colosseum was originally built by the people of Caesar" or "The Empire State Building was build by the people of Washington." These men---Caesar, Washington---are the subjects of many folktales and are easily recognizable by a illiterate, un-educated populace. Even if they aren't familiar with the civilizations that they were a part of. The author is simply trying to appeal to that, I think.


A blatant Lord of the Rings/Hobbit reference, and probably retconned. Still, its not unthinkable. Dragons used to be more common across Tamriel. And they had to live somewhere.

And I don't think it has anything to do with the Akaviri. Think about it: That dragon statue/symbols could have been added at any point in the hundreds upon hundreds of years following the disappearance of the Dwemer.



IMO, the entire design presented in Arena has probably been retconned. That means, no dragon statue(s), no stone tower.... Fang Lair probably much more closely resembles the Dwemeri ruins in Redguard and Morrowind.

The only thing that is really canon in TES:Arena is the Eternal Champion saved Uriel from Tharn. He traveled all over Tamriel for 10ish years and went to the most dangerous dungeons (too lazy to name them) to find the pieces of the staff of chaos. Pretty much everything outside of that should be disregarded, unless it doesn't contradict lore.

Also, the only known dwemer clan that left Morrowind to Hammerfell was the Rourken clan, because they didn't want to play nice with the Chimer. Legend says the leader or someone threw the hammer, Volendrung, and went where it landed, which is today Hammerfell (get the name?). Also, they have a connection with the shield Spell Breaker.

Ah ha! I see...well thanks for clearing me up on this. :goodjob:

Trying to buff up on my lore and this caught my eye and knew you guys would help.

It was Akatosh

And it seems that the name "Fang Lair" indeed was influenced by Akaviri.

But for the rest Fang Lair is dwemer mines, where Imperial put their symbols as all dwemer mines is property of Emperor.