Need to know two things:FIrst what is the connection between dwarves and imperials and secondly what is the role of the "mysterious akavir".Which race inhabits the place?

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And about Dwemer and Imperials I have no idea.

Dwarves and Imperials both live(d) on Tamriel. Other than that you're comparing apples to a freight train conductor. Dwemer were psuedoatheistic craftsmer who were tall with funky beards and had a rust fetish, versus the Imperials who are imperialistic, white, men.

I'm not quite sure of what you're asking secondly. Do you mean what races inhabit Akavir?

The only reason you see any Dwemer artifacts in Cyrodiil is because the Empire has granted a monopoly on their trade to the East Empire Company and declared all ruins and their contents the property of the crown.

I get the feeling no one cares about the EEC period, with Raven Rock being kaputt, and no one giving a guar's ass about Dwemer stuff.

Well I have to justify it all somehow. These the are the death throes of logic you're seeing here!

Few connections. There is one instance where Nerevar and Dumac is said to have represented Resdayn at King Rislav's coronation at Skingrad, but no...

I was thinking...In the tribunal expansion to morrowind there are ash piles everywhere In the dwemer ruins and because they are on seats and with gear I think maybe sotha sil smote them? it is off topic but hey dwemer.

No, they were just huffing the last bit of Schwarzmondzucker before the superascension.

Black moon sugar?

(Did I get that right?)

:nod: Richtig gesagt ?bersetzt

They're connected...? :huh:



I think the dwarves of Bamz-Amschend were dead long before the Battle of Red Mountain. They built Mournhold over it, didn't they?

who says Mournhold was even around before the Battle of Red Mountain?

Well, Vivec in his Sermons is taken to Mournhold by Almalexia. At the time, the natives of Veloth are still referred to as "Chimer". I made the logical inference that Almalexia (the city) existed before Red Mountain, as following the battle they would be referred to as Dunmer, not Chimer.

Vivec did, but that was the Sermons and they're pretty :unsure2: at the best of times.

meh, I never heared them, so there you go.

"My starkest madness seeming is divinest sense."

The Sermons chronicle a new mythic history that began with the http://www.imperial-library.info/characters/trial_vivec.shtml, and is not Tribunal Temple propaganda as most seem to think. Everything said in the Sermons has some historical/mythic relevance. Dismissing the Sermons as http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons_preface.shtmlor misinformation by the Temple is folly.

One must look between the lines for meaning:

• He discusses the dual, enantiomorphic nature of Talos, the "two-headed king" and the "red jewel of conquest" (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#19).
  
• He mentions the Dragon Break that happened at the Battle of Red Mountain and birthed the universe current. (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#6)
  
• You can find references to other games in the series (previous "mythic histories"?). (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#17)
  
• Vivec leaves instructions for others to ascend to godhood through CHIM, to "reach heaven by violence" (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#21)
  
• He writes an elaborate and cryptic confession to murdering Nerevar in the Scripture of Numbers (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#29).

Some elements of the Sermons are ostensibly contradictory or meaningless, but these, far from being nonsensical, are significant in themselves. Vivec is the Warrior-Poet - a prince of deception. He purposefully convolutes and hides his true meaning, as it is part of his nature. http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sotha_sil.shtml

Mournhold seems to have been build ontop of the ruins of Old Mournhold and Bamz Amschend, and Old Mournhold seems to have been located next to Bamz Amschend.

Now Mehrunes leveled old Mournhold and we might assume that Bamz Amschend was build underground. So by the time Old Mournhold was destroyed and rebuild ontop of Bamz Amschend, the Dwemer were no longer there.

I agree with Astion. Don't dismiss the Sermons because they came from the temple. Not everything the temple says is untrue. Vivec does make a mess of explaining things, but that's what makes the guy so cool/creepy.

To be perfectly honest, I trust Vivec more than King Herod*cough*Helseth. At least Vivec doesn't try to play down his betrayal of Nerevar to your face, like Helseth does about sending the DB to kill ya'. Anyway. Back to the sermons.

You guys have all heard of the monkey truth, right? Well, think of the sermons as the "retro-active truth". These things may or may not have happened, but after the ascension of the Tribunal, they might as well have. As a matter of fact they did. Oh, they didn't? Well, here... *poof* Now they did. <-- if anybody understood that, I'll give them a cookie.

He doesn't?



Depending how you look on it, Nerevar might not be "you" but he's still glossing over it.



Nah. That's now what the sermons are, they're not revisionist history.

I was not implying that the Sermons were Tribunal propaganda, I was merely noting that they are not always literal in their interpretation and quite often recount events that did not occur in history as we know it.

This isn't really a discussion of the Sermons, though I can see how you were able to read my comments out of context. (I don't remember you saying anything two minutes before me, where did that post come from?)

The Temple have made a lot of mistakes, in my opinion. They're simply unable to understand that Vivec provided the Sermons as a way to reach godhood, and not as an obscure holy chronicle.



Was that a mini Dragon Break right there? "Walk like them until they must walk like you?"

Can't say that I've heard of this "Monkey Truth", though. Is that Marukh?


@Wolf:

I'm currently in full Sermon anolysis mode and have been in it for the past two hours. I didn't have a wink of sleep last night and I think I'm onto something. Please excuse me if I seemed to be jumping on you - that wasn't my intent, I swear. I was making an in-character correction about something that I think many people have misconceptions about. My apologies, mate.

Naah, he's just mad. Schizophrenic and paranoid.

If Vivec is mad, then 'mad' is an even more meaningless word than I thought it was.

Defintion: funny antics and weird clothes?

No, I just based that on my personal opinion that noone can live for a long time without going mad.
Especially if he has godlike powers.
And know that the friend you once killed will come back and (maybe) hunt you down. Just like Almalexia. And Sotha Sil.
And like the Nerevarine will, if he lives long enough.

edit: Why wouldn't he be mad, by the way?