no dwarves? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:20 am

there is a kinda cool semi-appearance of the Dwemer in oblivion, they are more or less mentioned. There is a quest called shadow over hackdirt, involving some underground dwelling creatures refered to as The Deep Ones which is so close to Deep folk, which is the translation of dwemer. It is an interesting quest, and the Bible of the deep ones from the chapel was an interesting trophey, though to me that was the only worthwile reward hehe

You're doing it wrong. That's Lovecraft, not Dwemer.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:01 am

WTF, NO DROW?

In all seriousness, why does it mater?

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:07 pm

WTF, NO DROW?

In all seriousness, why does it mater?

Drow who are not considerd to be evil, what the hell is wrong with this world all dark elves are evil and vile, and dangerous ! And they all life in a Matriach Society, Worship Eight Legged Freaks, or are turned into orcs !

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:54 pm

Drow who are not considerd to be evil, what the hell is wrong with this world all dark elves are evil and vile, and dangerous !

Drow actually are generally considered (by D&D standards) to be evil. They also notably steal the wives of the Dwemer.

At any rate, I just realized I completely [censored] up my spelling in the last post, and am ashamed.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:15 am

Drow actually are generally considered (by D&D standards) to be evil.

At any rate, I just realized I completely [censored] up my spelling in the last post, and am ashamed.

Yeah I know that part... I just was replying with whoot dark elves who are not naturally evil

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:59 pm

Damnit, stop beating my edits.

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:16 pm

...wow, guess it is just and ooodddd coincidence, *sigh* I always thought they were Dwemer what a dissapointment

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:40 am

There are player make mods wich include the dwarven race ... trough most of them feat a dwarven race and not a dwemer race.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:59 am

it just seems weird. there are like 3 different types of elf to choose from. youd think they would ommit one kind and throw in dwarves/dwemers as a choice.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:29 pm

it just seems weird. there are like 3 different types of elf to choose from. youd think they would ommit one kind and throw in dwarves/dwemers as a choice.

Well, TES isn't a generic fantasy. Their is actually a great deal of lore about the Dwemer and their disappearence. Their disapperance is a major part of TES III: Morrowind's main storyline.

And the elves aren't exactly cliche either. Bosmer/wood elves are cannibals, the Altmer/High Elves practice infantocide to keep their race pure and the Dunmer/Dark Elves ... well, just play Morrowind to find out how screwed up these guys are.

Oh, and Orc/Orsimer are a type of elves as well. So 4 different types of elves. And the Khajiit claim to be elves, so maybe 5 different playable elves.

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:34 pm

Khajiit are a distant cousin to the Bosmer. They came to be because of Azura, and some retain more elvish appearance than the traditional cat-like appearance we often see.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:58 pm

I'm pretty sure that they were elves and at one point in an earlier era they tried to use a machine to give them the powers of a god and some thing went wrong which cause their entire race to disappear almost like a "rapture" but in a BAD way.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:45 am

Pete? There's Todd and Emil...

edit: Oh you meant Peter Griffon, ok.

Why? It should be Pete Hines, of course.

Dwarves are Elves? who came up with that absurdity.

How is it more absurd than dwarves which aren't elves?

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:08 pm

Kagrenac started messing around with something that was far beyond what his power could fathom and in doing so had a bad reaction which anything or anyone with dwarven blood, organism, or genetic code went puff, thats what I beleive or could be the working of gods.

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:41 am

I believe I read somewhere that the Dwemer did something the Gods really didn't like. Didn't know anything about Kagrenac or this apotheosis thing though.

Apparently the Gods went bad/beserk on the poor dwarves...

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:16 am

did anyone ever give a clear answer on why its called dwarven armor and not dwemer armor?

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:44 am

did anyone ever give a clear answer on why its called dwarven armor and not dwemer armor?

Coolness

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:12 am

Coolness

That and Imperials like to call things by the wrong name. Saying High Elf, Dark Elf, and Wood Elf instead of Altmer, Dunmer, and Bosmer.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:00 pm

did anyone ever give a clear answer on why its called dwarven armor and not dwemer armor?

Because over history, "Dwarves" became synonymous with "Dwemer". Dwarves also seems to me as a more casual way to call the Dwemer, whereas "Dwemer" would be used in a more formal and or scientific/scholarly context. It's got the same meaning.

That and Imperials like to call things by the wrong name. Saying High Elf, Dark Elf, and Wood Elf instead of Altmer, Dunmer, and Bosmer.

Because that's what the meaning of the words is. Mer = Elves, Alt = High, Dun = Dark/Cursed and Bos = Wood or Tree-Sap. They're just translating the elven language words into their own language. Nothing wrong with that.

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:00 am

did anyone ever give a clear answer on why its called dwarven armor and not dwemer armor?

It is the vernacular of Tamriel to call it that. The player knows much more about the world than the average citizen of the empire who likely doesn't wonder about who the dwemer were or why they are gone, they just call them the dwarves like their neighbor does, and their other neighbor, ect. Just like people call the Dunmer Dark Elves and things like that.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:07 am

i wonder why goblins are considered beasts and not a race. they seem to wear clothing and make fires, and can do magic. they are just not as smart. arent they a relation to orcs, or is that just theory?

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:37 am

i wonder why goblins are considered beasts and not a race. they seem to wear clothing and make fires, and can do magic. they are just not as smart. arent they a relation to orcs, or is that just theory?

No relation to Orcs. That seemed to be the case in previous ES games(Daggerfall I think), but now Orcs are corrupted Elves. They used to be High Elves that worshipped Trinimac(an Aedra), but when Trinimac got eaten and spit out by Boethiah, Trinimac turned into Malacath(a Daedra) and his followers into Orcs.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:30 am

Bretons are also considered Half elves. So that would be 5 1/2 playable elves. :lol:

One of the earliest tales of Khosey describes a Nord raiding party attacking a group of what they presumed to be Aldmer, but who were, on closer inspection, a mongrel race between elf and human, the remnants of the earlier lost Nedic tribe. They were somewhat awkwardly called "Manmeri," but we know them today as Bretons.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:35 pm

Bretons are also considered Half elves. So that would be 5 1/2 playable elves. :lol:

Sort of. They are more man then elf. Bosmer are also a mix, but more elf than man. I would be surprised if the Cyrodiil's didn't have a little Ayleid blood in them as well.

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:45 pm

Cyrodiil's didn't have a little Ayleid blood in them as well.

well i would think that Aylieds would be almost indistinguisable from high elves is anyone ever saw one, i would assume they would think it is just a normal elf. And seeing as how even if the empire did crush them, that kind of genicide is pretty hard, i would say that almost all high elves atleast living in cyrodil have some aylied in them.