If you're going to quote, don't quote out of context.

Most Ayleids fled Cyrodiil to Valenwood. I meant that Cyrodiils had Ayleid in them from their slave days. Cyrodiils didn't like Altmer until the Septim empire, so I would doubt that the they most Altmer in Cyrodiil have Ayleid in them. Mankar Camoran was Ayleid, and I believe Ocato is as well, though.

oh i did't know about that, i guess i am kinda behind on my TES lore, i guess it is feasable though since mankar camoran is very very old, I would assume he was immortal, but is there anything on the lifespan of elves, if it much longer than humans, or about the same

Mankar Camoran and Chancellor Ocato are Altmer or "High Elves".

Mankar Camoran is decended from a line of Ayleid kings though. Doesn't make him Ayleid.

Why do you think Ocato might be Ayleid?

Not that different, Dwemer (deep elves), are nearly extinct (only one sole survivor) ... I am pretty sure the Gods would act quickly i'f they come back i'f they still exist... The Gods and the Dwemer are not on good therms with each other !

Except that If you want to play a Dwarf there are lots of other games, i'f Dwarves (Dwemer) are possible to play in a TES game they probaly will be called Deep Elves (just like High Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves) ... they will be a lot different than the a-type Dwarf, they are larger (humanoid sized), probaly as large as the majority of races (Except Nords, Bosmer and Altmer), they will look by far more Arabic than they look like A-type Dwarves.

OH. MY. GOD. This is the most ignorant discussion of Elder Scrolls Lore I have ever read!

Dwemer are elves! They died as a whole when Kagrenac attempted to activate their "Golden God', Akulakhan, via the Heart of Lorkhan. Both things are involved intimately in the Elder Scrolls III. They were attempting to Transcend. Kagrenac was hoping to acheive CHIM for his race. This had a multitude of interpretations a la 'immortality', 'godhood' etc.

You want Drow, and Dwarves. Play a genre that has them. TES doesn't.

Heres a deeper meaning. The Heart of Lorkhan, was a stablilty point for the barriers between Mundus and Oblivion, the "Sigil Stone" of Tamriel, amongst others. The ending of Oblivion produces another stone, when the other one was offed in the beggining. The Tower and the Stone is the path of ascencion. A circle turned sideways is an "I", and Lorkhan never, ever, forgot it.

Word 2.

Right, sorry. OH. MK. GOD. (Yes, I know who you are Mr. Kirkbride. Big Fan, and honored.)

It came from Oblivion General. You can't help it if some people wonder why there aren't dwarves. However, quite a significant number of people are somewhat familiar about the Dwemer.

But, who am I to call ignorance. I don't know [censored] about the dwarves as well.

why are there no Klingons in Oblivion

Morrowind in a nutshell, lol.
http://chorrol.com/files/167/snowskadi-morrowind_days.jpg

So would Bretons are at least 1/4 or 1/5 elf be more accurate. Well not exactly accurate as you can't really use fractions to describe someones ancestory. But, I'm sure you know I am talking about.

This is another one of the moderators' cruel jokes. If only it wasn't part of a series.

i can see that he does sound diferent than all the other altmer.

I think there was another topic on this... before I joined, though. I think I remember reading about some enraged person saying there was no dwarves. Bethesda's interpretation of dwarves is alternative, yet brilliant, in my eyes

Literally, because I hope he is. It make him more interesting. There really is no proof for or against it, so I like to believe that he is. I'm not going to argue it, though, because that would make me look stupid.

The Ayleids,...sigh. No one read "The Refugees" from Oblivion, did they?

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/refugees.shtml

"Haymon Camoran, the Camoran Usurper, Haymon Hart-King, they're all the same, lad. He's a complicated fellow, and needs more than one name."
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"Mankar!" the Bosmer woman groaned. "He comes, and he will destroy all!"

"His Master?" asked Lukar, but Orben's eyes had gone to the Bosmer woman, curled up in her blood-soaked cot.

"Who is she?" Orben asked Rosayna.

"One of the refugees, of course, from your friendly little war in Valenwood before you and your Kaltos changed sides," the healer replied. "I think her name is Kaalys."

"By Jephre," Orben whispered under his breath, limping over to the woman's cot and wiping the sweat and blood streaked hair from her pallid face. "Kaalys, it's Orben. Do you remember me? How did you get here? Did he hurt you?"

"Mankar!" Kaalys moaned.

"That's all she says," said Rosayna.

"I don't know what that it is," Orben frowned. "Not the Usurper, though she knew him too. Very well. She was a favorite of his."

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Where is Kaalys?" Orben asked.

"She's not here?" Rosayna said, looking around. "She must have run away."

"Run away? But wasn't she injured?"

"It was not a healthy situation, but new mothers can surprise you with what they can do when it's all over."

"She was pregnant?" Orben gasped

"Yes. It wasn't such a difficult birth in the end. She was holding the boy in her arms when I saw her last. She said she had done it herself."

"She was pregnant," Orben murmured again. "The mistress of the Camoran Usurper was pregnant."

Word quickly spread throughout the castle that the battle was over, and more than that, the war was over. Haymon Camoran's forces had been defeated at sea, and in the mountains. The Hart-King was dead.

Lukar watched down from the battlements into the dark woods that surrounded Dwynnen. He had heard about Kaalys, and he imagined a desperate woman fleeing with her newborn baby in her arms into the wilderness. Kaalys would have nowhere to go, no one to protect them. She and her baby would be a refugee, like Miak-I and him had been. Reflecting back, he remembered her words.

He is coming. He is coming, and he will bring death. He will destroy all.

Lukar remembered her eyes. She was sick, but not afraid. Who was this "He" who was coming if the Camoran Usurper was dead?

"Did she say nothing else?" asked Orben.

"She told me the baby's name," Rosayna replied. "Mankar."

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Mankar Camoran was the Son of the Camoran Usurper and his Bosmer mistress. He was not an Ayleid. In elder scrolls 3 the Ayleids were still around and were known as the "Wild Elves" Nomadic and Tribal, they shunned 'civilization'. Whether these are the same Ayleids that built all the Ruins, that are described as the "heartland High Elves' I dont know. An Ayleid even makes an appearance in 2920 and helps to give birth to Bosriel, and was described as being distinctive from both Dunmer and Altmer, likely closely resembling a Chimer. Basically a Dunmer with golden skin, but a shade darker.

Oh yes, they're not dwarves, they're elves with beards, but just call them dwarves because they look and act like dwarves anyway.

But, they're all gone, so we needn't worry about such preposterous and inadequate designations.

We have all read the Refugees. However, if this book was completely true, Mankar would take the form of a Bosmer, since offspring take the race of the mother. He is definately the son of the Camoran Ursurper. That is one of the reasons he is speculated to be Ayleid. His speeches also imply he is Ayleid, as does the fact that he can wear the Amulet of Kings.

During the genocide, the Ayleids fled the cities. Some fled to the embrace of neighboring countries, such as Valenwood and Summurset. Others fled into the forests of the Heartland and hid. Thousands of years of adaption have changed both. The Ayleids of Valenwood and Summurset bred with the locals, while the Ayleids of the Heartland went feral. They are very different now.

Or the mother was misidentified as Bosmer by her clothing and perhaps slightly more tanned skin then the typical Altmer. She was sitting down after all so her height might not have shown.

Yes, but it still calls the authenticity of the work in question. Either way, the story cannot be 100% accurate.

men are elves too. they just dont have pointy ears.

Uhm... Not really.


Men and Elves are both carnal descendants of Et Ada--- But the Elves and the Men come from differing groups, with differing opinions.

There is a reason why Auriel tore out Lorkhan's heart, and threw it into the earth, you know.

Men consider the mortal world a WONDEROUS place, a realm in which true freedom can be achieved, or a trial by fire that will make one more pure.

Elves consider the world to be a rotting mound of feces, on which they have been cast adrift-- Mortal life is an anathema, and the mortal world a mockery of what once was.

In a world like the TES universe, belief has very real power over its holders. Remember that.

Elves and Men are NOT the same.

I hope Ocato is really a Senche-Raht Khajiit, because elephant-sized tigers are cool. So Ocato might be a Senche-Raht.

His full name is Ocato of Firsthold. Nu-Hatta even refers to him as simply "Firsthold." This means that Ocato is from the royal family of Firsthold. What is Firsthold? A Summerset Isles city. No proof against it, really?