So, I don't usually dip into the lore of games, but TES really is enjoyable, and after I have been doing the Oblivion Quiz for a bit now, I decided to voice a question that had been bugging me...in Oblivion, about level 8-10, the player can find Dwarven Armour and Weapons.

Now, Elvish is one thing - we already know that their are elves - the Bosmer, the Altmer, the Alyeids etc....but Dwarves? Where is there Dwarvish forts, or ruins, or anything even remotely referrencing Dwaves? For that matter, Dwarves are supposed to be short...so how come a full grown man can put on a Dwarvish Cuirass and it fits?

Please, all mighty Lore Buffs....enlighten me. I will never be able to equip my Dwarvish Shortsword unless I get an answer!

You can find many dwarvish ruins in TES III as Vvardenfell was their (a?) major population center. "Dwarves" were actually a race of elves and are also known as "Dwemer."

You can also encounter Dwarven ghosts in TES III and they're elf-sized - so about as big as a person but slimmer.

Thanks for the speedy reply. :bolt:

I never played TES III, so thus the hole in my memory...I thought 'Dwemer' were dark elves? Is that "Dunmar"?

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/definitive-guide-dwemer

;)

Yes, Dunmer are the Dark Elves.

Dwarves aren't short; The Dwemer were a race related to the mer (elves) who lived in Morrowind and Hammerfell in ancient history. According to legend, they were named "Dwarves" by giants that lived near them.

There were a lot of Dwemer ruins and references to them in the game Morrowind, and that province is where their armor and artifacts come from.

Read http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer if you're interested.

I seee...so Morrowind focused on Dwemer, like Oblivion focused on Ayleids? Interesting stuff anyway - thanks for the links!

Yeah, the two served much the same roles.

Game-play wise, yes, but lore-wise the Dwemer are much more important.

They were given more attention in Morrowind than the Ayleid were in Oblivion, as well.
I just meant that both filled the role of "ancient, long-gone race with ruins to loot and mysteries to discover".

Yeah, the Ayleids were kind of Dwemer light. I kept waiting for them to actually be important in the game but they just ended up being a disappointment.

Especially after I read that Last Year of the First Era series, I was expecting a shape-shifting elf disguised as a deer or something. Way to miss the chance, Bethesda.

Miss a chance ? Umaril ? Immortal Ayleid sorcerer king ? Servant of Meridia, little grudge against the Nine divines ? Antagonist of the second biggest plug in for oblivion ? Any of this ringing a bell or what ? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :whisper:

Also, it has been confirmed that there are Dwemer Ruins in Skyrim as well so expect to see them in TES5

So....a half Ayleid half divine now count for an entire race?

Expect to see Dwemer Ruins or expect to see Dwemer? If it's the latter, then no, I will not be expecting that.

Ruins, not the people

Come on isn't that really just semantics ?
Umaril IMO is the embodiment of the Ayleid mythos.
Forgive if it seems arrogant to say, but I don't think you can really make a convincing argument otherwise. :teehee:

Whats the view on Umarils father btw ? I've heard rumblings of Magnus, but I dont really see how that could be possible, Hellmouth ?

I heard that it was some spirit from a previous kalpa, I think.
I wish I knew more about Magnus to say whether that could be possible.

All I keep coming up with is 'divine', just threw Magnus out there because it was mentioned a few times in this one thread I read.

It's not semantics, the Ayleid ball was dropped badly. With the amount of ruins scattered around, all they amounted to was places to be plundered. The dwemer ruins in the previous games looked like places people lived and worked in, with researchers in plenty of the known ruins, the machines still protecting the place from intruders, or places vampires hang.

The only thing Ayleid that we got in OB was, they were [censored]s and ruled the nedes in the early portions of the 1st era. The ruins pretty much amounted to crypts and loot holes. Umahril, along with the Knights of the Nine, were a great addition, but the damage was already done. Not to mention they are still around, genetically anyway. Culturally, completely dead and are pretty much bosmer or altmer at this point, or they're living as savages disguised as animals and very well hidden. We had a taste of the former (or at least 2 or 3 claimed to be descended from Aleyids), and nothing from the latter, save for a reference in a book.

As for Umahril's daddy, unknown. I highly doubt it was Magnus, as the only know child he kicked out of the Aetherius was Miridia.

Would you be so kind as to give me the details of that story?

First of all, Umaril can't have been the embodiment of the Ayleid Mythos because there is no Ayleid Mythos. We know none of their lore, no beliefs, no stories. The only thing is that they might have at one point worshiped Meridia. That's it. The Dwemer, on the other hand, had folk tales, machines, lives that we actually knew about. I can look up at least five books of Dwemer lore and four written in Dwemeri right now. On the Ayleids there are six fragmented, half-translated sentences.

Second of all, the Dwemer figured almost directly into the main quest of Morrowind. The Ayleids had a McGuffin you had to go fetch.

We know just as much (if not more) about the Ayleids than we do about the Dwemer (partly cause the Dwemer are supposed to be incomprehensible). Its just not as obvious and ingrained into the gameplay as it was in Morrowind.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/imperial-census-daedra-lords

Was supposed to be included with the OB box, but time said no.

And, Lady, I dunno. I feel as though the Dwemer are much more known to the PC than Ayleids.