I know that we have discussed the dwemer alot, but there is one quote that always have intrigued me:
"You wonder where the Dwemer have gone? Perhaps better to wonder why one remains." - Sotha Sil
I dont think we really have thought that much of Yagrum Bagarn (that's his name, right?). It has just been widely accepted that "yeah, he was in an outer realm". But I mean, is he the only lacking component in the quest for divinity and uncreation? Is it because of not being a part of their attempted uncreation that they failed? Please, don't just say "yeah, he was in an outer realm okay...". Why does this matter? Could it have made a difference? What is this quote?

Yes, we have.

The Dwemer didn't fail. Numidium works.

Yagrum was probably supposed to use the Mantella, but then, corprus.

Come on, now. That's not helpful.

His absence from Nirn almost certainly [VEHK]ed up Kagrenac's divine calculus, and it's quite possible that, had he been down here with everyone else, the Dwemer might have succeeded. Sotha Sil's quote was, I believe, posted on the forums by a developer using the Dunmer's name.

Where he was exactly is occasionally discussed, but there is so little to go on that I don't think anything has been resolved.

IIRC, Umbriel was a bit of CV's realm and souls on the floating land mass had a pretty hard time returning to Nirn. I'm not sure if this is unique to Umbriel, maybe it applies to all the other Daedric realms. Yagrum may have happened to be in a realm like Umbriel, making it impossible for him to be follow his peers.

And I suppose if we could take Yagrum to Umbriel, the Dwemer race may return from extinction (by using the Sump).

I'm not sure about the specifics of the Sump however. Is the Sump also unique to Umbriel? The Ingenium used in Morrowind makes me think that a Sump might be possible in Nirn as well.

The ingenium provides the souls (?)
But it is the trees who form the shapes of things to come

So, you build an ingenium in black march, you talk to a rough tree and rule the world!

TES6

Yeah, I was supposing that an alternative to the trees might be possible. The Hist are known for their manipulation of Argonian biology. I think I also recall the fact that a tree from Umbriel actually did fall to Nirn as a sapling.

Well...he was in an Outer Realm.

But we don't know why he was in an Outer Realm. It's never clarified what he was doing there. It has been theorized for a long time that he was intentionally sent to the Outer Realm so that he could essentially hit the "On" button for Numidium, but that he caught corprus and lost his memory.

Divayth Fyr also relays the following message after the events of Morrowind:
We can assume that Divayth Fyr gave Yagrum the cure to corprus, resulting in him regaining his memory. This would mean he, like the Nerevarine, is immune to age and disease, and it's clear he has a strong desire to get his hands on Kagrenac's Tools. Perhaps one day, we too will learn what fate holds for Yagrum Bagarn.

We can't assume that. Divayth Fyr specifically tells us that his cure did not work on any of the corpus victims in his care. It only worked on the Nerevarine.

Who doesn't want their own http://i.imgur.com/XIkM5.jpgclone army?

Is it possible that Dagoth Ur's demise would result in Corpus' affects being diminished? Thus Yagrum's lucidity returned far more rapidly after the Nerevarine fulfilled prophecy.

Do you know what sound is. It is vibrations/waves that move through creatiaparticular-molecules that is interpreted by mortal ears as something more than it is; sound is in actuality no more, and no less than movement through the Mundus. Despite this truth, isn't there beauty and worth in such a thing? Indeed, magic is mystical and beautiful, when it is just the manipulation of varliance into magicka to hack and crack and break and bend aedrabones; again, no more and no less. Sound is beautiful, if only because sound is a testament to everything. When a sound is made, it never ceases to stop traveling, even if our ears can no longer hear it.

The Dwemer were the only race to realize these full-truths. This is why Dwemeris is commonly written in SolReSol Dorian-to-Mixolydian Modal Font, or just all out in musical sheet notation (fun fact, Dwemeris is where modern musical notation is derived from). The dwarves wanted to make waves that could be felt all through the Mundus, even to reach the Aedra(planets) and perhaps the Daedric Princes who exist on the other side of the equation (nonfractalized-anti-creatia?). Yea, their disappearance was intentional, as their defragmentation and eventual deletion/reloading would create discordance throughout the Mundus, no, the Tower itself. By becoming a tower, they would be heard by all gods/not-gods for a single moment, but would exist forever and before that moment as a giant "[VEHK] you!" to the Aedra who make up our world. This is ironic, considering that no one would ever figure out the how or why of the dwarven-conversion, and few that did notice wouldn't care.

This of course leaves the question of Yagrum Bagarn (aka Miremifamila Aeolian-Mode, who's family history will be recorded in the C0DA when it is composed 500 or so years from now). Most Dwemer scholars do not look into his existence at all, disregarding it as monkey-lies that are purely coincidental. I of course, do not intend to do this. My theory is that Bagarn was supposed to be a witness to his brothers' song.

After all, what point is there of singing if no one notices it at all.

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There's no evidence for that, as far as I know. Yagrum was, during the entire course of Morrowind, a pretty lucid fellow.

Do you have a direct quote on that? There should be no other reason that a corprus victim would ever "regain" anything unless they were cured.

Keening is in Skyrim.

The more I think about it I think that maybe Yagrum is a fail safe and can bring them back from the Numidium now that his memories are returning to him.

How old is Falion is Morthal? He claims to have met Dwemer in the outer realms. Plus, Calcelmo in Markarth says it is impossible for the dwarves to have vanished all at once.

I'm starting to think Beth came up with the golden skin story to give themselves a breather from the constent questioning about the Dwemer fate from fans.

The Dwemer still live.

Falion is full of [NUMINIT] and Calcelmo's an old fool.

Also Mephala did it.

You mind waiting for me to reinstall Morrowind? It's one of his post-MQ lines (and thus not covered by the Imp library narrative) so I gotta check the CK for the quote.

Lol, come on guys, we can't blame the Whispering Lady for everything, if anything, Azura with her typical female jealousy is behind it.

inb4deadricprincesaregenderless

He's a Redguard, and judging by how he looks, he's around 40. Hardly old enough to have lived during the first era.

not all of his information is correct.

That's your opinion.

As the Numidium.

Also, Azura had no reason to screw them over.

Got you covered. Needed to kill a few cliffracers anyways.


Copied directly from the old bird's mouth.

@ Hellmouth

Azura had no reason to screw them over? They mocked her at every opportunity, man, those dwemer were those really smart guys who sit in front of the class talking smack because they know they can. I would have vanished them too.

Thanks.

They mocked her in a book, made by a guy who was known for making fictitious books in general, and with the sources being called very suspect when they were first made in the 2nd era.

In reality, the dwemer didn't care for any of the gods, and what they were doing was what many mer, especially the altmer, aspire to do; reverse create themselves. Unlike the altmer who seek the destruction of the world, the dwemer decided to fuse everyone into a single being.

While I think you're right, that the "golden skin" thing was given to us so we'd shut up, I don't think that makes it false. After all, the theory is based on the information we've already been given, it was just confirmed.

Calcelmo strikes me as the idea of "everything was written by in-game authors, so they could be wrong" in action. Falion, on the other hand, I don't know. He merely says "...I've seen Dwemer..." He could have seen Yagrum Bagarn, or one of the spectres like in the ruins in Morrowind.

That does make it seem unlikely that Divayth Fyr would try the cure out on Yagrum, but it also doesn't explain why Yagrum had "regained much" and had his memories returned. And the line "he still shows signs of corprus" seems to imply that he has been cured. Why else mention that unless there's reason to believe his corprus is retreating? Perhaps Yagrum learned of the cure and demanded that Divayth try it out on him, weighing the hope of a cure and the possibility of death against living forever with a disease that would is slowly tearing him apart.