Dwemer and Falmer : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:56 am

Today in Skyrim, I visited the Nord Hold of Markarth. Inside Markarth there is a dwemer ruin caled Nchuand-Zel inhabited by Falmer. Awesome ruin so far, fighting sphere centurions makes me so nostalgic. What do you think of the fact that there are Falmer still alive and roaming about Skyrim today? They are extremely bestial, they have no language, and they simply attack on sight and emit low growls. A far cry from the mer of old. There is definetally a very strong link between the falmer and the goblins/rieklings. It'd interesting that they have reached this state of degradation and I wonder what could have caused it.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:21 pm

i find it stranger that there's Falmer in a Dwemer ruin.

What, Dwarven Spectres ain't good enough?

But on-topic, I wonder why they didn't call the Falmer, Rieklings instead? I wonder what the difference is?

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:38 pm

I was positively giddy when I found Falmer arrows in the body of a murdered traveler. Well, I was sad that someone got murdered. But I was happy to anticipate finding some real live Falmer.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:31 am

The Falmer definitely seem to be big fans of infesting Dwemer ruins. Dead elf race calls to dead elf race?

What I wonder is: just how much have they really changed? Their symbiosis with those acid-spitty bugs seems pretty advanced, and pretty comfy on both sides. We know that some elves have always been big fans of massive underground structures, and it can get awfully windy / chilly up above Skyrim. In the absence of any good evidence of what their culture was like (so far), I choose to imagine that they actually always were subterrainian blind echolocating bug-symbiote people, its just that they used to be civilized, and now they've all fallen to banditry.

» Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:48 am

The Falmer definitely seem to be big fans of infesting Dwemer ruins. Dead elf race calls to dead elf race?

Skyrim DLC: An army of Left-handed Elves show up in a Dwemer submarine.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:54 pm

It'd interesting that they have reached this state of degradation and I wonder what could have caused it.

Have you read the Songs of Return yet (http://imperial-library.info/content/songs-return)? Ysgramor was absolutely brutal to the Falmer, killing most and enslaving the rest. It's really no surprise, at least to me, that those who managed to survive the next 4000 years aren't too happy about random people barging in on their hiding places.

But on-topic, I wonder why they didn't call the Falmer, Rieklings instead? I wonder what the difference is?

Reiklings are wildly different in appearance than the Falmer of Skyrim. I'd say the whole Reiklings are Falmer theory is now quite disproven.

Skyrim DLC: An army of Left-handed Elves show up in ~~a Dwemer submarine~~ on a Maormer water-dragon.

Fixed.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:58 pm

Reiklings are wildly different in appearance than the Falmer of Skyrim. I'd say the whole Reiklings are Falmer theory is now quite disproven.

Soo... people think Rieklings, which are a kind of goblin, are Falmer, but Falmer are actually completely different, and just so happen to look like goblins?

Seems overly complicated.

» Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:03 am

There was a belief they were related, but i doubt they are now. Such a shame the Falmer have been reduced to this though, i kinda like them

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:04 pm

I'm also surprised at how comfy they seem to be in Dwemer ruins, as the two ruins I've visited thus far were absolutely teaming with Falmer. Of course, for a race that's essentially in hiding, having an entire structure filled with automatons that can kill whomever tries to come a knocking does seem to be advantageous.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:12 pm

http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-falmer-study explains everything. Sweet [NUMINIT] :shocking:

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:51 pm

http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-falmer-study explains everything. Sweet [NUMINIT] :shocking:

Wow. That's... intense.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:55 pm

Looks like mer do degrade into gobbos.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:11 pm

The dwemer forced them to eat the pudding, warping them into ghoulish beasts? This guy's a moron.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:43 pm

The dwemer forced them to eat the pudding, warping them into ghoulish beasts? This guy's a moron.

They're Dwemer. The pudding was cooked with non-Euclidean mathematics, cooled with tonal architecture, and made from the milk of the Earth Bones. It's loaded with electrolytes, too :spotted owl:

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:39 pm

It just mentioned blindness. Just add two thousands years of subterranean existence.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:39 pm

They're Dwemer. The pudding was cooked with non-Euclidean mathematics, cooled with tonal architecture, and made from the milk of the Earth Bones. It's loaded with electrolytes, too :spotted owl:

It's got what plants crave.

So does this mean the merrish heritage of the goblins is more probable?

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:16 am

They're Dwemer. The pudding was cooked with non-Euclidean mathematics, cooled with tonal architecture, and made from the milk of the Earth Bones. It's loaded with electrolytes, too :spotted owl:

Mushy meth?

InklingStar, I'd say so

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:33 pm

Looks like mer do degrade into gobbos.

The Falmer aren't actually all that goblinoid. Consider their height, capability for archetecture (weird chitin-huts), and capacity for industry (they make their own weapons and have animal husbandry. The goblin subsist purely on raiding or the support of the Altmer)

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:00 pm

I dunno, toss a bunch of gobbos in a cave away from civilization, I'm sure they'll get to a level similar to the falmer.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:41 pm

http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-falmer-study explains everything. Sweet [NUMINIT] :shocking:

So, they're not goblins, they're http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Genlock.

Awesome.

Also, it answers my question about whether Dwemer kept slaves like how other elves do. Cool cool cool.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:29 pm

Falmer were a bad idea from the beginning.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:07 pm

Falmer were a bad idea from the beginning.

Well, we've known the Falmer have existed, and with Skyrim being the most logical place to put them in, I don't see an excuse not to. Besides, fallen Merrish races are fascinating.

» Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:30 pm

Another reason for goblins not being related to Falmer; If Goblins were discovered to be of Elven blood, their Altmer trainers would kill them all since they would be elves of impure blood.

» Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:29 am

Falmer were a bad idea from the beginning.

Falmer as in Skyrim having an original elven population, or Falmer as in snow-themed elves?

» Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:56 am

Falmer as in Skyrim having an original elven population, or Falmer as in snow-themed elves?

My guess is on "Falmer as being included in Skyrim."