Okay, I have a question about Dwemer Armor, and I think my confusion is stemming from lore that has been overwritten for simplicity.

When you are playing Morrowind many Wizards and Scholars who study the dwemer make comments on how Dwemer Armor isn't really armor, instead its just pieces of the constructs that adventurers that have picked up and strapped on. And in Morrowind, the Armor style reflects this being very bulky and ugly.

However, now in Skyrim all the books say that Dwemer armor is just infact dwemer armor, and the armor style now looks like proper armor.......so Im looking for a definate answer.


Is Dwemer Armor armor that was actaully created by Dwemer......or is it just pieces from Dwemer constucts that have been called armor?

This isn't the section you are looking for. *Waves Hand* Move along.


Could it not be both? Different regions and all.

Try the lore section.

I always thought it was actual armor worn by the Dwemer soldiers. And it differs in style. (ie Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim styles are each different)

Well, you can smith it yourself from smelted-down bits of automatons, so I think it would have to be defined as "proper" armor. But you always follow the traditional style very closely, I guess tradition is important.

Let's do the UESP run...

According to some sources, Dwemer armor is actually the outer plating of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Dwemer_Centurions and other Dwemer machines. This view is reflected in the book http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Ruins_of_Kemel-Ze. However, other sources seem to indicate that it was specifically intended as armor to be worn by the Dwemer themselves. An example of this is the story of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Chimarvamidium. Additionally, the discarded armor pieces found near piles of ash in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tribunal:Bamz-Amschend in the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tribunal:Tribunal expansion seem to support this theory.

From the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Chimarvamidium, maybe this might help clear things up.

The presence of dwemer armour in sealed dwemer chests supports this.

If you recall the dwemer ruin under Mournhold, there are piles of ash with the armor and spears lying next to it. This is a clear indication that the dwemer were wearing these pieces which probably means they made them.

When people mention Chimarvidium or Azura and the Box as sources for Dwemer society I am sworn by the oath of the pedantic to print the following from the first book of Marobar Sul's 'Ancient tales of the Dwemer':

"
Publisher's Note
I was reluctant to publish the works of Marobar Sul, but when the University of Gwylim Press asked me to edit this edition, I decided to use this as an opportunity to set the record straight once and for all.
Scholars do not agree on the exact date of Marobar Sul's work, but it is generally agreed that they were written by the playwright "Gor Felim," famous for popular comedies and romances during the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Interregnum between the fall of the First http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cyrodiil Empire and the rise of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tiber_Septim. The current theory holds that Felim heard a few genuine http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer tales and adapted them to the stage in order to make money, along with rewritten versions of many of his own plays.
Gor Felim created the persona of "Marobar Sul" who could translate the Dwemer language in order to add some sort of validity to the work and make it even more valuable to the gullible. Note that while "Marobar Sul" and his works became the subject of heated controversy, there are no reliable records of anyone actually meeting "Marobar Sul," nor was there anyone of that name employed by the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mages_Guild, the School of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Julianos, or any other intellectual institution.
In any case, the Dwemer in most of the tales of "Marobar Sul" bear little resemblance to the fearsome, unfathomable race that frightened even the Dunmer, Nords, and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Redguard into submission and built ruins that even now have yet to be understood."

I believe it was noted in a Skyrim book that the styles of the dwemer armor changed, depending on location. It's like the ones in Morrowind, didn't care for things like elegance or aesthetics, where as the dwemer in Skyrim did.

I think both cases are true. I wouldn't be surprised if antique collectors mistook the centurion shells for wearable armor.

MW Dwemer-kit was automaton scrap. By the time the Nerevarine got shipped in, all the Deep folk's own gear had been dungeon-dive'd, authenticated, sold, and shipped off to Cyrodiil.

Yeah, according to the lore any Dwemer artifact is property of the Empire. This could have happened...



I had just read this, and I was waiting for a chance to stab it in to a Dwemer thread. Ninja'd.....

400 years. They figured out how to melt Dwemerium and mold and beat it without degrading or decomposing it. Finding Dwemer armor in ruins is just shorthand for finding scraps that would work as armor because coding a 3D game to do anything isn't easy at all, and Beth enjoys streamlining the ever-loving [censored] out of everything.

Understanding many features of the game as "shorthand" is necessary to prevent your stores of suspension-of-disbeliephium from drying up. 'Why are there modern Septim-coins in ruins that have been ostensibly forgotten for ages since before Tiber could use the squat-toilet by himself" - Those coins are shorthand for the process of finding antique coins and other numismatic curios and then selling them for modern currency.

On the contrary, all coins are reflections of the Ur-Coin of the Wheel, and through his ascendency, Talos marked them for all to see his glory.

You cannot imagine how very angry this makes the Thalmor.

(Edited to add: I miss the Dwemer coins.)

Woah, woah, woah.

First of all, no one has ever frightened Redguards into submission. Ever.

Secondly, the Dwemer were gone before the Ra Gada even arrived on Tamriel's shores.

And to be entirely truthful, the Nords and Dunmer never technically spent any time under the thumb of the Dwemer. The Falmer sure did though.

We don't really know what Rourken was up to.

Too many contradictions ingame to come to a solid conclusion. Especially when you have ruined books found within ancient Nordic ruins when you'd think they'd have an oral tradition and the occasional rune-stone over actual bound books. Also you find Septims in the same time-lost ruins. The Dwarven armor looks cool in this game at least, and there's actually a basis for its existence which is more than we could say for Oblivion. Sometimes I'd rather just look cool than play the part of the eternal apologist.

I would be interested in knowing which NPCs say that the Morrowind Dwemer armor was just pieces of constructs though. I don't remember reading that in Morrowind? Any links?

There's that fifth paragraph in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Ruins_of_Kemel-Ze.


Granted, the man was a scholar, passions/obsessions more like Edwinna Elbert. Just want a working machine.


Then, I would point to that orc blacksmith Garothmuk gro-Muzgub in Morrowind's town Suran. I haven't checked if he actually says something like "from scraps of centurion plating" though. No promises.

This is what he says. Seems he doesn't actually talk about Dwemer armor, just weapons.

Considering all the references are based in Morrowind, and all the new books in Skyrim say its just dwemer armor, do we assume the lore has been changed on us? or its an unknown?

I'd say that the version shown in Morrowind is without a doubt automaton scraps, judging from the utilitarian and worn look of it (and of course, the book), while the Oblivion and Skyrim stuff is actual armor, mainly due to the fabric detailing which is not something you'd expect on a robot.