Nords are the focus of ES5. Dwarves are part of Viking mythology. Do we see them in Skyrim?

No...

I hope not. TES really doesn't need anymore typical fantasy tropes, not to mention it would be nice to have some consistency in the lore.

Dwemer are elves with beards. Not dwarves as you know them... Just saying...

Just no.

no, TES will be fine without them. Besides, Nords have beards...

The Dwemer are more like Elves in the Elder Scrolls universe, rather than what we Westerners are used to imagine them.Nevertheless I would like to see them return or something like that.Some people may argue, because they want them remaining this mystery.Where did they go?How did they do it?This is not a simple question actually.After all, those guys are one of the deepest mysteries in the Elder Scrolls universe.

TES doesn't need to defy lore by having dwarves. The drewer were dwarves and now they are all gone. boohoo. oh well. They messed up their shot and now they are gone. Dwarves wouldn't look right anyway. Everyone else is somewhat tall and human like other then beast races and orcs. But dwarves wuld be jsut little hairy people..just...nah i dont wanna see them. Thats so typical and kind of interferes wit the whole look of things TES already has going. if you want dwarves play wow.

Go play Morrowind Dwemer where elves.

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The Dwemer are ELVES. Not stumpy bearded men (and women) who drink alcohol.

Norse dwarves in Wikipedia. It says they were sometimes called Black Elves/Dark Elves in norse mythology. They are human sized and have human like features. The original Dwarves eh...

Bethesda... give us a more grown up take on the DWARVES!

Human sized, bearded elves ... DO IT! Long ago they were at war w/ Dragons. They won but ended up cursed. Some of them turn into humans of the world. The Dwemer in Yokuda became Redguard. The ones in the North became Nedic/Nords. And so and so the Dwemer changed. A few survived the transformation and left for a continent shrouded in myst. They'd be human like, the most human looking of the elves.

As the Dragon reappear, you'd hear rumblings of the Dwarves leaving their magic lands to fight them once more.

I have no idea where you're trying to go with this.

AFAIK, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ring35.jpg?uselang=sv is how dwarves are portrayed in Norse mythology. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:MW-art-Dwemer-Concept.jpg are Dwemer, and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:TR_Creature_RadacStungnthumz.jpg is a Dwemer ghost.

Dwarves are cool.

That's from Morrowind. The design has changed for many races as the games have progressed. Look at the Khajit and Argonians. They aren't going to stick to norse mythology to the letter...

The painting/drawing is from the late1800s-early1900s. Can't go by that... not really a mythological interpretation, more of a somewhat modern one.

I can agree with you on the painting, but not really on changing the Dwemer. If you've been around for a while, you'd know that the previous changes haven't exactly been welcomed with open arms around here. The Elder Scrolls series biggest strength is its lore, and going around changing too much wouldn't be a wise move imo.

My expectations of this thread before reading.

"DWEMER ARE NTO DWARVES!!! THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM FANTASY DWARVES AND NOT BASED ON THEM! THEY ARE NOT SHORT!"

Now I will check to see how close that is to reality.

EDIT: Well not quite as severe as I expected but enough quantity. Kudos to Power name for being the first to mention the fact that they are similar to Norse dwarves.

You guys are starting a flame war out of nothing.Not everyone will know how the Dwemer in Elder Scrolls are supposed to look like or what happened with them.And I don't blame them, there are new fans joining every day, witch never played the old games that we are used to play.The bottom line is that I would like to see them and I voted - Yes, Why?Because it will add variety, a thing that Elder Scrolls desperately needs.Somebody may start to argue, saying "This brakes the lore".No it doesn't.Because nobody truly know what happened to those guys, back in the first Era at the Battle of Red Mountain.But that's why they are so charismatic.

I'd like to see the dwemer, or at least dwemer ruins, appear in Skyrim. Some more Dwemer mysteries to solve would be fun.

Absolutely, I agree.

First off, initial picture is NOT an original Norse dwarf. Secondly, yes they do look like them.

Norse dwarves are considered frequently to be a type of elf, somewhat deistic creatures, with pale skin and black hair, often depicted with beards, though not always (I don't think, I could be wrong but I think I read that somewhere), which happens to be notably similar to the image from Morrowind. Like the Dwemer they are closely associated with rocks, metalwork, the earth, wisdom, craft and technology. They are also not short. Of course the Dwemer are not going to be IDENTICAL to them, but the influence is quite obvious. Even the word Dwemer seems to be taken directly from here.

"Dweomer, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is the Old English word meaning 'witchcraft' that derives from the Old Norse term dvergmál literally meaning 'dwarf talk' (dvergr dwarf + mál talk), referring to the secret knowledge of magic among the Norse dwarves. See for instance the entry, dweomercr?ft. A related Middle English word that derives from the phrase 'dwarf talk', dwergma, means 'echo', crediting the dwarves who live in the stones with the sound."

They could just add them like they've always existed, like they added Imperials. And they can call them the Doommen so people will praise the new and original take on dwarves, that they're actually men who are short and like beer. Lightning strikes twice.

I agree there, really, I wish the setting had LESS generic fantasy cliches, but in the interest of maintaining continuity, Bethesda shouldn't just remove things that are already an important part of the lore, but we don't need to add in more generic fantasy concepts. So I'd say the Dwemer should stay dead, and stay as techno-elves. Besides, I'd argue that orcs already fulfull the role of dwarves in a typical fantasy RPG, I mean, they're already good at smithing and good at fighting, and many orc NPCs tend to lean a little towards the rude and grouchy side. Give them Scottish accents and make them drink a lot, and they'd fulfill the role perfectly, but no, really, don't do that, because an orc with a Scottish accent would be kind of silly.



I'd say saying Dwemer are "not dwarves" is not accurate, because they are, in case you didn't notice, people do call them that IN THE GAMES, but they ARE different from the typical vision of dwarves in fantasy, yes. They're not short people who drink a lot, and I'm glad for that. I never saw the appeal in that concept, really, plus, it might be because I started the series with Morrowind, but I've always liked it when my Elder Scrolls tries to defy fantasy cliches. I've critized Oblivion's generic fantasy landscape before for this same reason, and even if we ignore past lore, I would still see adding typical dwarves to the Elder Scrolls would be a bad idea for this reason.



That's of course true, it still doesn't change the fact that I disagree when one says that they should have dwarves appear in the game.



While variety is good, I'd say there are other ways to add it. If Bethesda wants to increase the number of playable races in the game, something some would argue over, but I'm not saying whether they should or not, I'm not pointing out some options they'd have if they chose to do so, there are other races still living they could add, no need to bring back ones that are gone. And in any case, having actual Dwemer appear in the game would really not add much more variety, I'd say, at least in the race department, considering that they'd just be another kind of elf, really, and we already have a lot of those. They'd be elves with very different culture from the ones already playable, yes, but still elves nonetheless. Now having Dwemer ruins or artifacts in the game though would be fine, although I'd say we already explored that aspect of the lore satisfactorily in Morrowind, but regardless, if Bethesda wants to add some anyway, I won't complain.

I always thought the Dwemer were more based off of ancient Mesopotamia than Norse mythology.

Though I did actually explain that generic fantasy dwarves are not Norse dwarves on the first post of page 2.