I'm sure this is a long dead horse and sorry to beat it. However, I was reading the Skeleton Man interview.. and was curious.


From what I read that what happened to the Dwemer is completely unknown. I'm assuming this part of the article is intentionally left open for people to interpret how they want. Someone told me every Dwemer was sacrificed to create Anumidum's body.. but the article says "So many." Wouldn't this mean that not all were sacrificed, just people some of the Dwemer were sacrificed and their true disappearance is still unknown?

At any rate, we only know of one who survived. But Kagrenac called together most if not all the Dwarves...

In that context, no, that's not what it means or implies. Also, there was at least one Dwemer left alive, after all.

As far as their disappearance being completely unknown, that's not really true. The http://www.imperial-library.info/content/final-report-trebonius delves deep into the subject and makes a conclusion that has been widely accepted as true.

There is one left.

As for what actually happened, I find http://www.imperial-library.info/content/final-report-trebonius a convincing essay.

I hope this helps:

http://imperial-library.info/content/final-report-trebonius


M'Aiq said it best - "The Dwarves were here, and now they are not!" That's all that really matters.

Now my question concerning or Dwemer brothers is this:

Did Tiber Septim have to make contact with the "Golden Spirit-Skin" of Anumdium to have it do his bidding? Or was it truly just a mindless construct?

That is discussed in http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1335850-numidiums-awareness/

What exactly does it mean or imply?


Hmm alright, I read this as well. While widely accepted, it's not exactly the truth though? I mean it's a fan made response.. and Bethesda could do whatever they want with the Dwemer lore I'd assume?

It implies that Kagrenac might throw away Dwemer souls just for experimenting, but that this was a different situation. The "so many" does not mean as opposed to all of them, it means as opposed to only a few. "So many" can still include "all."

It's been explicitly stated by ex-dev MK that the Dwemer became the skin of Numidium. And yes, Bethesda can do whatever they want with the lore, but that's a moot point. They could decide all Daedric Princes are actually bunnies in costumes and that Nirn is actually New York City. We are left to make conclusions based on what we know and assume that's the lore that will be upheld in the future, not based on the endless possibilities of what could happen just because Bethesda can do whatever they want. It's the only theory that makes any sense and has actual lore to back it up.

This theory is further backed up by the events of Skyrim, where we see Arniel Gane disappear when using Keening on the Warped Soul Gem. He becomes bound to the nearest potentially divine being; in this case, the player-character.

Where can I find that quest?

Starts from Arniel Gane at the CoW.

Well, there's Yagrum, but there's also the ghosts. So it could be that Kagrenac sacrificed only select groups of Dwemer: every Dwarf from the Rourken clan (which would explain why there's no Dwarven Spectres in Skyrim), all of them in Mournhold (except Radac), and only specific ones on Vvardenfell.

Unless of course, the ghosts simply flicker in and out of existence at the whim of Numidium, just like how the Dragonborn can summon Arniel Gane.

Everyone always goes on about how special Yagrum is, but it's the ghosts I'm more interested in.

That doesn't work for two reasons.

First off is the idea behind the Numidium. It's not a warmachine to further the Dwemer cause. Rather it is a reversal of the process that fragmented the divine into Dwemer. Only sacrificing certain groups would be besides the point.

Second. The Dwemer who died before they disappeared can be used to explain the ghosts. That they only appear in certain games / expansion packs is probably related to gameplay.

In short, the dwemer are the Numidium. All of them, save for YB.

Old ass info from before Oblivion. Really though, am I the only one who saved this for just such occasions?

Gameplay? That's a pretty weak excuse for the Lore Forum. I expected better from you, Proweler.

Well the Bethesda thing isn't moot. What I was trying to say is that until Bethesda (Not Ex-Employee) says what happened to them, everything is speculation. Even with a ton of supporting facts it's still nothing more than speculation and assumption. I understand that people want it to be the truth.. but is it until the creators confirm it's the truth?

The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain. Everything is speculation in the Elder Scrolls universe.

haha Fair enough.

Oh come on, he said it when he was still a dev. Now that he's not, it doesn't count? Sounds like crap, considering the CoW quest line about the dwemer seems to hint at this too.

A guy in the other dorm in the College of Winterhold, second floor. He'll make you gather some dwemer things at first, then other stuff. Isn't until about two or three quests in he tells you it's about dwemer research.

Could the fact that one Dwemer did not dissappear have an effect on if the experiement was a success?


I mean...if every dwemer was need for a success, then even one missing could have completely screwed the results.

Some summize he was there to flip the switch from "off" to "on" but forgot. Maybe YB isn't really "dwemer." Or, it was an oops.

Or 99.9999% of a god is enough god to still be a god.

The same can be said about gravity. If we're wrong about it, given all those supporting facts we'll hardly be far off.


It's my favourite excuse.

I love you simply because you call them Dwemer, not Dwarves.

They'll be back, thats what you can be sure about.