That was the astrologist guy in the Dwemer Orrery there, right? I don't think he was a Dwemer, but I never actually played it and I've only seen walkthrough videos on YouTube...

He was a senile old Altmer in a floating wheelchair taking care of a Dwemer observatory/orrery.

Edit: His name was Erasmo:

Erasmo: Dwarves... Flash! Flash! Flaaasshhh!! Liked to build everything in small pieces! Damn Gugglies split without leaving instructions on their, flash!! Toys! The Ruins too big and scary for me! See for yourself, go to the west!

He was crazy because he couldn't get any sleep:

Cyrus: Lights in the Lighthouse? You're not making sense.

Erasmo: Damn lights -- On then off, flash! Flash! Flaaasshhh! -- Keep my ass up all night!

Wouldn't that be going down the subgradient?

Was it MK or Allerleirauh wondering if that hid in plain site?



Paws,

Yes, it would be going down an AE subgradient, although the journey does not end there.

"You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. The Numidium." (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml)

The final AE subgradient is [Z]. Since [Z] is still connected to AE, there is still one last jump past AE into [The Eternal I], which is described as "an incalculable effort" of Love. Those who succeed in this effort become a New Man.

The goal is to get out of Mundus Centrex (i.e., the world that Lorkhan created).

"...all living things; all souls know deep down they came originally from somewhere else, and that Nirn is a cruel and crucial step to what comes next. What is this next? Some wish to return to the original state, the spirit realm, and that Lorkhan is the Demon that hinders their way; to them Nirn is a prison, an illusion to escape. Others think that Lorkhan created the world as the testing ground for transcendence; to them the spirit realm was already a prison, that true escape is now finally possible." (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/nirn.shtml)

You can only get out by dying and not being reborn...but not being a victim of permanent "Sithite erasure". (See http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml#4) You must continue to live, and you can only do that through love. (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml)

I believe that certain things can go wrong in the process, even when mortals uses things that can put forth an "incalculable effort", such as the Numidium. One of the things that can go wrong is adding chaos to the process of transcendence, even though http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/egg_of_time.shtml says that it cannot. When something goes wrong, such as adding or neglecting to add an element, then there are disastrous consequences, such as being reduced to "calculation powder" (see http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml). I believe, although I have yet to have anyone agree or disagree with this theory, that failing to make the leap to the Eternal I is called "LANDFALL".

One of the necessary elements in making the jump to the Eternal I, and thus avoiding Landfall, is "Love", according to http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml.

The Dwemer knew nothing of Love (see http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#3), which is why they did not add it to the mix and, therefore, were reduced to calculation powder. They managed to make it the point of mortal death, but did not leap beyond it, it seems.

Thoughts anyone?

Yours in the Scrolls,


___The Word Merchant of Julianos

Allie explained, Michael confirmed.

Nice angle there. So Landfall occurs in the Fifth Era and the Dwemer experienced a landfall much earlier. Maybe the Sload tried to crawl up Thurindil's spine and failed, with disastrous consequences.
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Crazy.

The Dwemer didn't leave, though. Their spirits now haunt their ruins.

The Altmer hating the Mundex are basically simply being lazy. Wanting to go back, or forward, but not wanting to endure the now.

The Dwemer tried to do it, but failed. So, is it possible at all? Any evidence to say that it is possible, other than a sermon from the future?

Those are spirits of Dwemer that died BEFORE the Dwemer were gathered into Numidium. They were immune beacuse their prolonged presence on Mundus after death eroded their minds past usefulness. They weren't Dwemer anymore, they were shadows that had no place in the hive-mind.

I doubt that the ruins were haunted before the Dwemer were wiped out. And at least one Dwemer ghost seems pretty sane and coherent.

No one said they were haunted. But I have a feeling that after the Numidium snaffu, the Dwemer were pretty well locked out of the dreamsleeve and there would be plenty of rebounding spirits.

I don't buy that. If that were the case, then why did the Numidium even have golden skin up through Septim's reign. The entire system was still in tact. They have have failed, but it also seems that they didn't destroy themselves either.




MOST of them show no rational thought, and attack on-sight.

And if you recall, there was an epic battle right before Numidium was activated. It is likely most of them died in the battle, only a few hours (or minutes) before Numidium was even activated.

I thought it was brass, being the Brass God.


A lot of sentient beings show no rational thought and attack on sight.

I always considered the battle, but it would seem odd that every last one of the Dwemer Citadels was attacked.

I think I've lost the plot, again. What epic battle, mortazo? Battle at Red Mountain?

I really shouldn't be posting here right now, since I've got a very important history paper to be in tomorrow, but it's a question I just haven't had time to get to, and it is very basic; Why did Kagrenac use the Tools on the Heart at the Battle of Red Mountain? To activate Numidium and attack Nerevar's forces?

For comparison, see the wraiths inhabiting Ayleid ruins. It's a rule of RPGs that very old places have ghosts coming back to them.

Yes, the battle was a massive four-way between the Orcs, Chimer, Dwemer and Nords.

Kagrenac activated Numidium beacuse he knew the Dwemer were to lose. Once they lost the Chimer would have never given him another chance to do it. It was a now or never sort of thing.

Are you serious?

I just don't remember an in-game account recalling the Numidium was there, just "Kagrenac using the tools" and the subsequent dust cloud that appeared across the country. Course, it's pretty dopey not to just presume so anyway.

Presumably Numidium was waiting in the very same Heart Chamber. According to the Sermons, Numidium was activated and caused catastrophic damage to the region before the Tribunal killed it, causing the Dwemer to vanish. Lawl.

So there must have been a little door to that little Heart of his.

I think that picture is quite quaint.

Was this sarcasm or not? I'm not very good at detecting it.

For a serious answer, gold and brass look pretty similar.

Brass God is just a name. Its skin is made of Dwemer souls. And not Dwemer souls+brass, because there's no way they used normal metal for a giant god when even their silverware is fashioned from immortal materials.

The Dwemer probably used alloys. Like brass.

Brass survives two thousand years without corrosion?!?

Some varieties of it probably can. Also, their armors resisted corrosion remarkably well, but if they were gold, they'd probably be much more expensive, heavy, and not terribly protective. I suspect that the Dwemer were experts in metallurgy and in creating alloys. If this was the case, it could either be brass or an alloy with gold.