Dwemer

Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:06 pm

What if, they travelled back in time, and are now the first original dwemer?
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Davorah Katz
 
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Post » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:30 pm

What if, they travelled back in time, and are now the first original dwemer?


stop right there. your idea's going to make right arm numb.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:53 am

stop right there. your idea's going to make right arm numb.

Why?
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Jesus Duran
 
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:49 am

Why?


cuz...it's like a lame tv sci-fi episode.

is it so hard to get that they're building a really really tall high elf?
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:07 am

cuz...it's like a lame tv sci-fi episode.

is it so hard to get that they're building a really really tall high elf?

No. But just because something is overused does not mean it is therefore "lame". A lame sci-fi episode would be one created using todays technology, but you can tell that the aliens are fake-i.e. you can see the joins in the suit the actor is wearing, or in cgi clipping, etc. Some of the old stuff, even those with repetitive storylines are awesome!

EDIT: Even though I said no, it does not mean that I have to succumb to the majority.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:27 am

No. But just because something is overused does not mean it is therefore "lame". A lame sci-fi episode would be one created using todays technology, but you can tell that the aliens are fake-i.e. you can see the joins in the suit the actor is wearing, or in cgi clipping, etc. Some of the old stuff, even those with repetitive storylines are awesome!

EDIT: Even though I said no, it does not mean that I have to succumb to the majority.


and join a minority that has no actual backing. smart.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:18 am

Lets clear out a small misunderstanding.

So the Brass God would be used as a divine skin and the souls of the Dwemer would be used to create it. - Lugar


The Dwemer did not become the skin of the Brass God. They became the Anumidium which can be used as a Divine Skin. People seem to have been misreading this.

This is in line with what Xal says:

The Brass God is Anumidum, the Prime Gestalt. He is also called the divine skin. He was meant to be used many times by our kind to transcend the Gray Maybe. - Xal


The Brass God is called the Divine Skin.

He would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. - Xal


And the Dwemer Souls were used to construct the Brass God.


Many Egyptians were sacrificed to make the pyramids. But, crucially, they are not the pyramids, unless of course accidentally entombed. But generally the pyramids were stone (limestone capped). Thus it does not follow that Dwemer souls actually became the Anumidium, merely they were used to make it. Now that could mean they were used as a source of magicka, hard labour, or any number of things, other than actually becoming the skin/Anumidium itself.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:16 am

Many Egyptians were sacrificed to make the pyramids. But, crucially, they are not the pyramids, unless of course accidentally entombed. But generally the pyramids were stone (limestone capped). Thus it does not follow that Dwemer souls actually became the Anumidium, merely they were used to make it. Now that could mean they were used as a source of magicka, hard labour, or any number of things, other than actually becoming the skin/Anumidium itself.


When the fate of the Dwemer was revealed, a term followed it: absorbocide. Death of individuality by being absorbed into the Anumidum (and again ANUMIDUM). Anumidum was anti-creation to the max, an attempt at transcendance by becoming a giant, the actual height of godhood. And many more...

What you offered was just boring.
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Post » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:58 pm

and join a minority that has no actual backing. smart.


Many great things that came about started as a minority with no "actual" backing. Yet perserverence brought these things into the mainstream. I am not really trying to persuade you that I am right. Time may or may not show whether I am. I am merely giving my view, for others to digest, and give feedback on. Alright, the "back in time theory" is not particularly "smart" but what if TESV revealed it to be true? And I don't profess to being smart. I'm probably not, and I am humbled to be in the company of great minds here!
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:51 am

When the fate of the Dwemer was revealed, a term followed it: absorbocide. Death of individuality by being absorbed into the Anumidum (and again ANUMIDUM). Anumidum was anti-creation to the max, an attempt at transcendance by becoming a giant, the actual height of godhood.

What you offered was just boring.


Thats fine, but what you offered was conjecture, unless I am gravely mistaken, and not given fact. Perhaps I could have given my theory a few bells and whistles, as they say, to make it more interesting?
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:55 am

Thats fine, but what you offered was conjecture, unless I am gravely mistaken, and not given fact. Perhaps I could have given my theory a few bells and whistles, as they say, to make it more interesting?


Have you even read that fate seriously before typing your own "theory" :rolleyes:?
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:20 am

We have multiple texts to back up absorbocide. You have nothing.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:42 am

Have you even read that fate seriously before typing your own "theory" :rolleyes:?

Yes. Perhaps if you think it is boring, then it svcks and would not be much good in a game. But thats why I don't design games! :tops:

EDIT: Fine, I retract my theory graciously, and will accept the majority consensus.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:52 am

Yes. Perhaps if you think it is boring, then it svcks and would not be much good in a game. But thats why I don't design games! :tops:


Crap, you just killed me. :lol:

I'm done spreading morning mayhem.

Sincerely, believe what you want.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:46 am

Sincerely, believe what you want.


I do! No one has ever succeded in persuading me otherwise. If I wanted to believe that the Earth was created when Dave Grohl sneezed whilst playing Everlong, then I would. Thank you...
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:57 am

If there was a real theory in the game, someone would have made it known in-game. As has been done with many of the theories.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:40 am

If there was a real theory in the game, someone would have made it known in-game. As has been done with many of the theories.

It's important to note that the Skeleton Man's Interview (which is where the Dwemer, Divine Skin, etc stuff comes from) is not an Obscure text, but an Interview that is copyrighted by Bethesda, meaning that it's just as valid as any in-game source. Furthermore, the only part of the theory which cannot be compiled from in-game texts is the actual name of what the Dwemer were trying to achieve. You can take the Monomyth and the Sermons and take a really roundabout way of getting to the same conclusion, it just takes longer and you might have to make up your own names for the concepts...
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Post » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:47 pm

If I wanted to believe that the Earth was created when Dave Grohl sneezed whilst playing Everlong, then I would. Thank you...

Well you can bet your ass I'd subscribe to that.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:33 am

Though in defence of Mr Colossus, Anumiudium does sound better than Anumidum. Flowy syntax and that.
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Post » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:31 pm

It's important to note that the Skeleton Man's Interview (which is where the Dwemer, Divine Skin, etc stuff comes from) is not an Obscure text, but an Interview that is copyrighted by Bethesda, meaning that it's just as valid as any in-game source. Furthermore, the only part of the theory which cannot be compiled from in-game texts is the actual name of what the Dwemer were trying to achieve. You can take the Monomyth and the Sermons and take a really roundabout way of getting to the same conclusion, it just takes longer and you might have to make up your own names for the concepts...

I suppose that works. But it's still just a theory.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:54 am

I suppose that works. But it's still just a theory.

:facepalm: As opposed to...
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:57 am

I suppose that works. But it's still just a theory.

Which has been positively commented on by the guy who signed responsible for Concept Art and Additional Writing and Quest Design for Morrowind. For me, that qualifies as a developer confirmation. Besides, the information Xal gives corresponds with ingame information (Eight of Dwemer) found in books and does not stand in contrast to other information.

As far as theories go, when I talk of theory, I happen to think of the scientifical (or scholarly) meaning of a theory, which means that "in science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory) In contrast to that, theory has also the meaning of "speculation", "conjecture" and "opinion", which may or may not be based on facts. So far, I haven't seen many facts to support other ideas of what happened to the Dwemer that can compete with the above (scientific) theory.
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Post » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:32 pm

Which has been positively commented on by the guy who signed responsible for Concept Art and Additional Writing and Quest Design for Morrowind. For me, that qualifies as a developer confirmation. Besides, the information Xal gives corresponds with ingame information (Eight of Dwemer) found in books and does not stand in contrast to other information.

As far as theories go, when I talk of theory, I happen to think of the scientifical (or scholarly) meaning of a theory, which means that "in science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory) In contrast to that, theory has also the meaning of "speculation", "conjecture" and "opinion", which may or may not be based on facts. So far, I haven't seen many facts to support other ideas of what happened to the Dwemer that can compete with the above (scientific) theory.

It was an interview of in-universe characters. It isn't actually a dev confirmation, just because one dev commented on it. Devs are allowed to have theories too.

Either way, theories aren't established facts. Theories are being challenged all the time.
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:16 am

It was an interview of in-universe characters. It isn't actually a dev confirmation, just because one dev commented on it. Devs are allowed to have theories too.

Either way, theories aren't established facts. Theories are being challenged all the time.



When the dev is the guy who you know..... WROTE THE STORY.... I think his "opinion" as the world's creator holds a little bit of sway, dont you?
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Post » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:00 am

When the dev is the guy who you know..... WROTE THE STORY.... I think his "opinion" as the world's creator holds a little bit of sway, dont you?

He's one dev out of many. They got different ideas, and they can disagree. The devs aren't a hive mind.
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