Needs some big improvements from New Vegas, but the idea is solid. I can't recall the name, but there were games that only personnel like officers could see through the disguises. I think the effectiveness should tie into the faction rating, number of officers and sneak skill.

As your hate with a faction increases, then they'll likely know you better, perhaps have a wanted poster. So disguises lose their effectiveness. Additionally, the use of the disguise would rely on character's skill in sneaking.

This works in reverse as well, meaning that if you're idolized by a faction, they will likely realize that despite being in enemy attire, they will not shoot.

I voted no because faction armor doesn't fit the setting, by which I mean it is not derived from or based upon the setting. The concept of faction armor is borrowed from other games.

I like the idea, but the way we can apparently mix and match armor pieces now it may be difficult to implement unless there is just one specific piece that causes the reaction.

I do agree with Dinrauko though, in a world where everyone scavenges everything can you really have unique faction armor. The more obvious option would be to paint your head blue or something.

Fallout isn't a static Universe, it is a changing one. Things don't stay the same forever, so factions that grow and spread out, obviously gain knowledge, and some of that knowledge is how to make uniforms that identify them to one another, and the rest of the people of the wastelands. It's really not too hard to fathom that. They're living in the shell of an old world, that had manufacturing capabilities, and so all they have to do is get the knowledge on how to refurbish and fix up a factory or two, that can produce their armor/uniforms.

It's been 200+ years since the Great War after all, you can't expect people to just sit stagnantly on their hands, not thinking up ways of how to best identify themselves.

I want "faction armor" to include bug pheromones, yao guai sscent glands, death claw musk, and green spray paint so ...

Radscorps don't bother.

Radroaches don't creep.

Bloatflies and blood bugs don't attack.

Scary Beary don't care.

Deathclaws don't chase.

and Super Mutants think you're a homie.

One could wear faction armor in the original Fallout games from the 1990s.. So uh.. Not exactly seeing your point here.

Not a huge fan of it, especially the way it was implemented in new vegas. I kill ceasar, took his outfit. by the game logic, wearing meant i was a member of the legion, even though the ONLY way to get it is too kill Caesar (or have him die on accident with the surgery, but that was rare), meaning if you are wearing it, that means you KILLED him and thus are a ENEMY of the legion, not a member, and thus should have had the opposite effect. There is also the fact that you can be sitting in the middle of a faction, put on the opposite faction armor in FULL VIEW of everybody, and they start shooting you dead, it makes zero sense.

A faction tends to distinguish itself from other factions through decoration -- flags, insignia, tattoos, grafitti, and such. Armor alone is functional, not decorative. If a group manufactures its own armor, they may build the faction identifiers into the armor, but I think it more likely that they would instead choose to produce their armor unadorned and decorate it afterwards.

I really like the idea of faction insignia triggering appropriate responses from NPCs, though, and the OP's suggestion helps. I'm changing my vote to yes.

It was never a perfect system. There can be improvements. Nonetheless, it's better than not having it at all.

Not sure that's the assumption people would make. I would just assume that you were an important agent of Caesar and have even more reason to kill you.

The legion and NCR uniforms were pretty unique and it wouldn't be a stretch to assume someone wearing that full armor was either in that faction or were pretending to be in that faction. The different gangs however are a different story.

The armor/uniforms of militaries have always had some sort of decorative style to them, intermixed with functionality. The simplest example I can give of decorative style and functionality coming together, is simply the rank shown on a uniform. The rank insignias have always been decorative pieces, getting more so as you go up the rank hierarchy But they function to define who's who. If you look at Rome, or any Ancient society, really, their armor was decorative and functional, to tell who was what and where they stood in the military.

No, one of the few things I did not like about New Vegas. I would love to wear the Great Khan outfit but I can't because then the NCR starts shooting. Sometimes I want to wear the enemy faction armor, like Enclave in Fallout 3, I shouldn't be punished because I just want to wear a cool outfit.

I'm not exactly a military guy but as I understand the matter, unless it is meant to conceal you, armor always has some form of insignia that show you are a member of whatever army uses that armor.

So of course it makes absolute sense to me that any members of that army and their allies will view you as one of them.

Likewise the enemies of said army will think you are one of them and attack you on sight.

Of course if someone knows you personally his reaction might/should be based on his experience with you instead of your apparel, and if he is some colonel or something he should also influence NPCs around him.

But RNC soldier #714 and BoS Paladin #12 who don't know you should simply react according to what they see.

Yeah I really liked some of the Khan female armor but couldn't been seen wearing it dangit.

This is an idea support.

And would get rid of most of the problems normal faction armor systems have.

except for the fact that the ONLY person in the game who is seen wearing it IS caesar, none of his generals wear anything like it, common sense dictates it is the only outfit of its kind (well, maybe he has an unseen closet of them somewhere, but you should get what i mean)

also, scavengers, a scavenger can EASILY simply pick up an outfit, see it has armor of some kind, and put it on with no ill will or intentions.

If they make the system not half-assed this time then sure. If i am a great and beloved hero of the BoS then wearing their uniform shouldnt "disguise" me to them and make them think im just a lowly initiate

So the assumption is that every NCR soldier has at one time or another seen Caesar in person wearing that outfit or a picture of him and are all told that no other outfit like this exists on the planet. Well ... I'd shot anyone wearing it anyway.

I also like the idea of just a hat or something since armor is interchangeable in this game.

everyone knows what YOU look like though. If you are "shoot on sight" with the NCR for example, and go to an NCR camp that you have never been to before, by your logic, they should have no idea who you are if you are wearing a mask, or you have killed everyone in the NCR that has seen you, but it does not matter, they KNOW who you are and try to kill you dead.

Sure. I love this. Probably will be in the game.

not at all "possible" it is a MAYBE at best. the only game that had it in force was new vegas, which was made by Obsidian, not Bethesda. Fallout 3, and none of the Elder scrolls games (outside of small instaces in morrowind and skyrim) really had it. That, and the fact they were all on about being able to do everything. They even mentioned about how quests would only rarely, if ever, be locked from you.

If ANYTHING, it is unlikely that the game will have it.

This. I voted no because I hated the way it was implemented.

I like the idea of being able to disguise yourself and getting a reaction from the world based on what you wear, but it had some annoyances, especially so since the reactions were so extreme and how simplistic and broken the mechanics were. I hated that I couldn't get idolized with a faction and wear their faction armor in pride without being reset to neutral. I hated that I couldn't put on faction armor in full view of someone without them forgetting who I was. I hated how extreme the reactions were.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I kinda like the way Skyrim did it. You got nasty comments. I wouldn't mind them improving upon that. But I'm hesitant to say I want anything resembling how disguises and faction armor worked in New Vegas.

It worked. It wasn't perfect, but it worked. I would like to see it return improved, but I'd rather get it back the way it was in New Vegas than not at all.

I mostly just used disguises to ride the monorail early (and bypass the 2000 cap check to enter the Strip) or to sneak through Nelson in order to reach Camp Forlorn Hope. But on a Legion or other heavily anti-NCR playthrough, they were i incredibly useful for getting through 60% of the areas without getting shot at.

No, it didn't, for all the reasons I listed and you cut out of the quoted post.

You named a lot of reasons it wasn't good, and gave ways to improve it. I agree that it wasn't done well, and also that improvements would be welcome, which is why I cut that part out of my quote.
But it definitely worked. I, as a Legion-aligned Courier, could put it on, walk up to an NCR soldier, and fool them into thinking I was a friend. That IS it working. It was basic, and faaaaar from perfect, but the times that I used it successfully (which are listed in the post you quoted) are proof that it worked. Even if it wasn't the way you or I would have liked it to.