Looks interesting :thumbsup: On a lighter and a technical note, I wonder how you could manage to pre-load interiors through scripts ? Does accessing a reference in a remote interior cause the interior to load ?

Definitely very interesting.

There's a compatibility patch for Wrye Levelling... does the patch make it work with Wrye Morph as well, or is that just a pipe dream?

I preload the level the player should be if they went into that cell. Hence when they go into the cell all levelled lists are ensured to be calculated at that level. There isn't a known way to actually force a cell to be loaded (yet)


@opaj: No its just the wrye levelling mod.

Ah ... clarified :thumbsup: I thought you'd managed to pull of the latter. In any case, first class work mate. Is it possible that different type of cells have different ranges of leveling ? As in, alyeid ruins have a predefined range of levels b'ween which it switches after cell resets, as do normal caves and dungeons.

@shadeMe:
Well first my idea is to have an option to set level ranges for interior cells that are part of a quest. Thats the goal to work on first. Having predefined ranges for the actual type the cell is an interesting solution you have brought up. Something i may have to look into and is easier to define then setting level offsets for every cell in the game individually.

@all:
I've had another idea of scaling cells too. Instead of using fixed offset and min max levels. It could be percentage based. In otherwords the following formula
(players level/50 * (cellmaxlevel - cellminlevel)) + cellminlevel

Lovely :thumbsup: And I second the formula to be percentage-based - That'll live up to the name.

@ShadeMe: Well after more consideration i might not now, well especially for ranges of cells which need to be between a range of 0 and 50 because that just equals the players level which is rather pointless being that functionality already exists.

Has anyone tested this mod with Pure Immersion?

It should work OK, but I want to be sure do if anyone tested them together please inform me.

Thanks.

@Sphagne: I havn't tested but it should be fine if you dont require the players actual level for some calculations or you dont explicity set the players level with 'player.setlevel'.

No, P.I. does not touch player levels and skills, only current attributes related to levels and skills.

So, I think that it can be listed with other leveling mods that are compatible with your mod.

Released a small update for OBSE 17 beta 2 support.

um ... SM, you still working on DPCS ?

Yes.

I'm on a round trip of updates for obse 17 so it has to wait its turn

Just wanted to say that I would love to see more from this mod as well. In combination with Francescos it would be the best solution for creatures\item leveling I could imagine.

I would love to see more from this, I think this combined with Oblivion XP with make a brilliant game experience :foodndrink:

DPCS Beta 4 Released

- Requires OBSE 17
- Added Max/Min offset ini settings
- Added ini setting that if enabled makes Max/Min offsets apply every time you visit a cell instead of the first time you visit (i.e increased scaling)
- Added Fixed Exterior Scaling ini options so each exterior cell has a specific preferred level and will use Max/Min offsets in determing your level. (i.e more place centric)
- Added ini settings that if enabled visiting a particular cell type (interior, exterior) always re-calculates best level for that cell (i.e increased scaling if not using fixed exterior scaling)
- Updated Oblivion XP optional plugin to 4.02 support.

I've just re-uploaded after noticing a bug with min setting for fixed scaling not applying. Error on my part

I'm confused as to how this works with FCOM. It seems to me like this does an 'illusion' of what FCOM does for real? What then would be the benefit of installing both?

Hey!

I'm excited to see this mod's progress. Someone pointed out my mod earlier but it never was fine-tuned.

Anyway, I am curious as to how this mod handles quest rewards. As you get your reward in a different place than the challenge you faced, the quest reward can be mismatched. The way my mod handled this was by setting the player's level as soon as he/she entered dialogue. I didn't realize it until just now, but that would explain why the bribery costs changed (Bribery takes the player's level into account). If you did things that way, you would also have to set the bribery globals to get bribery costs correct.

Another option would be to have the Quest Reward Leveler type mods scale rewards to iTrueLevel.

Anyway, is this mod already handling that issue somehow? Keep up the great work SM. I love your work!

@Infernussums:
This mods core purpose was to implement fallout 3's scaling system such that moment you enter a cell it stays your level and benefits more the player centric scaling systems. So its not really the same purpose as FCOM but there is no actual issue with using this with FCOM or OOO and it will just compliment them to work more like how they were designed to work.

The way oblivion was designed means making place centric scaling is still difficult to fully accomplish mainly due to the way levelled lists work and generate creatures/item loot based on the players level. Combining DPCS together FCOM and OOO can become even more place centric because that dependency on level can finally be circumvented and in the future we have potential to enforce the level at particular locations.
beta 4 DPCS for example now has new fixed scaling options that when enabled will really enforce place centric rules into exterior locations of the game and is a first step to enforing these rules for all potential scaling environments people are using. This type of functionality can only hope to hone FCOM further beyond the capabilities with just messing around with levelled lists.


@Anthrop: No not at present i've not touched quest rewards or the bribery costs. Thanks for bringing up the bribery cost i actually hadn't thought of that one, but i am aware of the quest awards. Its pending results of what i do for quest scaling levelling so that quest locations are specific levels before i work out solutions that are needed for that .

Wow! I'm really happy that you managed to pull this off. I've been pushing the very same idea around for a while.

Some random suggestions:

• Quest locations (if we can find a reliable way to detect them) should be set at the player's real level, and I think you should also set the real level before entering dialogue, so the player gets the normal leveled rewards. I don't see another way of avoiding glitches like the barter costs problem.
  
• There's another mod being worked on (can't remember the name) that controls the respawn time, and can manage to surprise you by randomizing it. It think this feature would combine very well with your mod, since more dangerous places could have quicker respawn times, just to name one possible use. Also:
  - You could catch a disease that gives you a smell that attracts monsters, making all cells respawn as soon as you enter them.
  
• Modifying the level associated to some places after some specific events could make for very interesting mods:
  - Increase the level around Oblivion Gates as time goes by, to give you a reason to stop ignoring the main quest!
  - In the "Unleash Great Evil" theme, you could have an innocent-looking ruin with a Varla Stone at its center. You take it, not realising that it was in fact the seal that kept 20-levels-above-you horrors at bay. (So, when you pick up the stone, levels are raised for all cells in that dungeon. Guess what happens when you cross a load door.)
  
• Instead of perpetually respawning creatures of the same level in already-visited places, the level associated to that place could actually go down with repeated visits. This would simulate the player decimating and scaring off the denizens, until everyone knows that a bada** hero is guarding that place. It would end up empty except for rats and other vermin. However, these repeated visits could also have a small chance of dramatically raising the place's level: this would simulate challengers, some high-level villains that go there on purpose to meet and kill you, 'the so-called hero'.
  Respawns could also be less common when you repeatedly clean up a place.
  And the place could revert to its former evilness or even get worse with time, if left alone long enough.
  
• Some events or game variables could also affect the level at any point in time:
  - Infamy could rise the level when you're entering a holy place, such as a church's crypt. Get attacked by high-level ghosts!
  - Similarly, Fame could cause you to be attacked by stronger level creatures when entering an Oblivion Realm or another evil place.
  - If Bounty could raise the level at specific places so that higher-level guards show up, that would be interesting...
  - Having a lot of gold could raise your level around bandit spawn points, so that being rich actually makes you more of a target!
  - Some really powerful spells could have as a penalty the risk/chance of greatly rising your level... dabbling in dark magic sometimes attracts very evil creatures...
  Of course all this would also modify the loot you get, so there are some potential exploits.
  
• There are many other interesting variables that could be taken into account in some places for both fake level and respawn time, such as altar blessings from the Gods, Daedra favors, health/magicka/fatigue, Luck, ...

Edit: added another idea.

Surprise i've released a new version of DPCS.

Version 0.5
- Added interior scaling support that will level based to your level at the last exterior location. Only works if you turn on exterior offset/fixed levelling options.
- Tamriel city distance calculations are now more accurate. Also added options to include the start sewer entrance and kvatch as safe locations or not.
- Random oblivion realm exterior cell levels are not stored (otherwise it dosn't take long for the gates to all become fixed to specific low levels)
- Updated oblivion XP support to 4.15

This release finally allows the offset/fixed scaling options in the ini to also apply to the interior cells. It only uses the level of the last exterior location. The effects of these optional options are now very noticeable in game ( especially for vanilla gameplay).

@Gabba: I've taken note of your long list of ideas

Be aware There is currently a nasty crash in the latest beta of dpcs. Basically looking at any load doors especially the initial sewer gate has a high chance of crashing the game. I am looking into this but there are very strange and bizzare things going on in the script too that cannot be explained (like 1 > 1 returning true???). Its like voodoo to me.

But anyway i recommend not using the plugin for the time being until this issue is resolved.

Probably some kind of rounding issue, or float vs. integer. My understanding is that all variables are floats under the hood, even shorts/longs. Maybe the extra digits on a float that's been assigned to a short come back out again when variables are compared. You could test this by rounding down with floor before the comparison.

DPCS Beta 0.6 released
- Fixed a major CTD because DPCS was trying to preload unloaded cells (often moving from interior to exterior cells). Now will only preload cells that are already loaded.
- Preloading of cells now does not store the level of new cells it predicts to prevent storing of the wrong level.
- All oblivion realms including interior cells levels will not be stored to prevent oblivion gates being fixed to weak levels.

@OnmyojiOmn: Tried that and that didn't work either. Funny thing is only by wraping some code with an if else endif statement did this line keep returning true. I'm sure i couldn't have reached the limits of if statements or something??? In any case kept the extra if code that causes that issue disabled for the time being.