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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:37 pm

The 122 numbered vaults were the official ones. Any unofficial ones would not be numbered, like the Secret Vault in FO:BOS (which is non-canon anyway).

Ahhh I see.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:56 pm

We can, but considering that there were only 122 vaults in total, it still doesn't make much sense to have 5 of them around just one city.


Well, isn't there a "Vault-Tec Headquarters" in the DC ruins? Maybe there are more nearby because it was near their HQ...

Speaking outside of lore, the obvious reason of course is the change from massive world maps to a massive real-time gaming area to suit Bethesda's style, but we can make lore reasons if we try, like the Vault-Tec HQ excuse, or even just to say "there were clusters of vaults in some small areas due to their specific research study and personnel, but on the average vaults were more scattered."
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:19 am

Well, isn't there a "Vault-Tec Headquarters" in the DC ruins? Maybe there are more nearby because it was near their HQ...


Except none of those were the "good" vaults - the ones where things went according to the marketing material (8, arguably 15 being amongst those). The "best" one in the DC region is the one which was designed to be the willy-wonka's chocolate factory of the vaults.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:50 am

Except none of those were the "good" vaults - the ones where things went according to the marketing material (8, arguably 15 being amongst those). The "best" one in the DC region is the one which was designed to be the willy-wonka's chocolate factory of the vaults.


Well the guy who invented the GECK got his own vault nearby. Who knows about the management of Vault-Tec, they might have flown to some Pacific island that wasn't hit by a missle or something.

Actually the PC's vault was designed to never open... maybe the Vault-Tec heads went there, as there was no real experiment (other than never ending the vault life).
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:37 pm

Actually the PC's vault was designed to never open... maybe the Vault-Tec heads went there, as there was no real experiment (other than never ending the vault life).


Actually, according to http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_101 Vault 101 was an experiment there, it was to:

The purpose of Vault 101 in the Vault Experiment was not only to test the results of indefinite isolation, but also had a greater purpose of testing the role of the Overseer. This Vault was sealed before the bombs ever even hit, and the residents were kept in the dark as to the true nature of the aftermath, receiving fake radio transmissions which painted a far bleaker picture than even the Wasteland offered. It was the Overseer's job to keep this secret and make sure the Vault stayed sealed, and the first Overseer was actually a trained Vault-Tec official.



One could say there are more vaults there because of the massive number of people on the east coast. Possibly the west coast was less populated in the fallout out world. FO3 actually mentions this a little bit, in random mailboxs you can get a letter that says "We're sorry you didn't get selected for your chosen vault, but you have been added to the waiting list. Please consider moving to an area where there is not waiting list for the vaults, such as Oklahoma."

Basically Vault Tek knew they had a lot of vaults, and knew they didn't have a lot. Places that are sparsely populated (which is most of the FO1 and 2 world maps) have less vaults because less people what or can afford to be in.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:27 pm

Speaking from a strategic stand point when you nuke a country you a nuke it's highest population density areas you b nuke the counties industrail areas and you c nuke it's administration captitol all of this is on the east cost DC especially would of been hit hard
So less people left from the nukes on the east cost and much more fallout and back ground radiation
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:30 am

We have not seen "the East Coast" in FO3, we have seen the Capital Wasteland, a tiny parcel of the East Coast. What's in the Capital Wasteland is not necessarily representative for the entire East Coast; for example the Commonwealth is at least as developed as anything on the West Coast.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:22 pm

Most of the Commonwealth is actually in a state of chaos. The Institute is developed, but it's not that representative of the Commonwealth as a whole.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:50 pm

I think a big part of it is the fallout from the Nuke's (weather travels east to west), and the East coast would get alot more Nukes than the west, as the East coast is the industrial side of the country. Given that, food would be much more scarce and more contaminated for a very long time versus the west coast.

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:53 pm

East coast had a higher population density, and therefore, a higher nuke density as well.... they would also be on the receiving end of more fallout... kinda puts a damper on things, not to mention the chinese invasion... not that it lasted long.....

Judging by the condition of there buildings i'd say they recieved a very light nuking...All of the major cities in California where leveled to the ground for the most part.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:06 am

Most of the Commonwealth is actually in a state of chaos. The Institute is developed, but it's not that representative of the Commonwealth as a whole.

Yeah. It's been said that it's nothing than a giant wasteland, except for The Institute, who is advanced enough to make human looking androids. But, if Pinkerton's words are mostly right, the androids are not that great or advanced as they are claimed to be.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:31 pm

In Fallout 1 and 2 you see lots of prewar building structures still standing.

And as everyone is saying, LA and sanfran wouldnt be that big of a target compared to the eastern sea board, especially in the fallout universe (No silicon valley etc)

And yes the capitol should look like Hiroshima or Nagasaki but then it wouldnt be very fun to explore now would it?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:34 pm

According to Carol (A pre-war ghoul in underworld) the west coast was nuked first, which means the west had more important targets or you lore buffs are right an beth messed up some stuff.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:54 pm

And yes the capitol should look like Hiroshima or Nagasaki but then it wouldnt be very fun to explore now would it?


It would be better than trekking through three subway tunnels and their maintenance tunnels just to get to one small area.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:11 pm

According to Carol (A pre-war ghoul in underworld) the west coast was nuked first, which means the west had more important targets


Or it's simply because it's closer to China.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:10 pm

Or it's simply because it's closer to China.


i never liked that, because that implies that only china nuked the US, which it probably wasnt. Most of the world hated america leading up to the great war, for not sharing oil.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:23 pm

i never liked that, because that implies that only china nuked the US, which it probably wasnt.


Well, China was probably the first to launch their nuke at the US, though. And the one with the most nukes.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:53 pm

Well, China was probably the first to launch their nuke at the US, though. And the one with the most nukes.

And the ones being invaded by America after the US retook Alaska, and looked to lose the war if they didn't do something very drastic
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:34 pm

well in any case we can all agree the main reason that the east coast is less advance is because bethesda magicly flew in and committed mass murder of advanced east coasters, then rewrote history so it could attract a new gaming audience simply because there wasnt enough fallout vets
or its engine couldnt support large settlements of poeple (fair enough if any remembers the resoloution of fallout 1 and 2)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:49 pm

Considering most of the US population lives on the East Coast, it's safe to assume that it got a lot more bombs than the west coast.

Of course, there could still be something inherently better about the West coast... :rock:

Well, China was probably the first to launch their nuke at the US, though. And the one with the most nukes.


What? The US has a vastly larger nuclear arsenal than China. And considering the sorts of things the Enclave was up to even before the nukes fell (FEV, Vault experiment, possibly even the new plague,) it's unlikely that China was the big bad villain who was picking on the poor, innocent USA.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:15 pm

What? The US has a vastly larger nuclear arsenal than China.


Current-day China, yes. But I think the nuclear arsenal of Fallout-universe China was comparable to the US one.

And I meant that among America's enemies, China was the one with the most nukes.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:10 pm

Current-day China, yes. But I think the nuclear arsenal of Fallout-universe China was comparable to the US one.

And I meant that among America's enemies, China was the one with the most nukes.


nope ww2 history my friend soviets stole the plans soon after the US made them and before the time line diverged im pretty sure, so soviets had them first. china wasnt a major power just after the war to be sure
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:39 pm

What does have anything to do with my post?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:40 pm

nope ww2 history my friend soviets stole the plans soon after the US made them and before the time line diverged im pretty sure, so soviets had them first. china wasnt a major power just after the war to be sure


Based on the lack of mention of the Soviet union, and the family of a Russian Diplomat getting into V13, the Soviet Union is not speculated to be as powerful at the point Fallout's great war as it was at any point in our world's history - Or at least on Positive relations with the US
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:06 pm

Civilization-wise, East Coast of 2277 is behind the West Coast of 2161.



Navarro personnel was relocated to Raven Rock. And you're comparing the state of Capital Wasteland post-2277 with the Core Region in 2242. Not really fair, I'd say. If anything, we should compare the Core Region as of FO2 with what we know of the Capital Wasteland before the arrival of the BOS.


(not Cannon, whats his face( the guy who was a traitor to the enclave) came from Novarro 30 years after destruction of posiedon oil in fact there may have well been a east coast enclave since the ZAX computer helped them before, (also a reference to another thread that mentioned something about no global communication)
-not being a jerk, just want to see how i am wrong-
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