No they cant, they are sterile

They're sterile. If you are referring to what Marcus said at the Cat's Paw, he was joking... Even Chris Avellone said it was a bad joke.

I dunno much about the West Coast, but East Coast does have a few distinct advantages, primarily in the form of: Behemoths, Overlords, and Fawkes.

I can't really judge, though.

West coast's mutants have split too many times.
At least V87 mutants stick together.
So I'd say East Coast wins.

they split so many times because there were large numbers of them in the first place. There could still be large groups out in the wasteland some where. They are smart enought to survive, DC ones are not and they will just stay in DC till the BoS finish them off.

Yeah dc ones are as dumb as stumps and the bos will wipe them out now they know that there originating from a vault, once they stop that basically all they need to do is kill them off, cant reproduce, arent smart enough to be organised into a cohesive fighting force.

Now that's just an unfair assertion based on an elitist opinion.
The West Coast Mutants are more organized, sure, but their access to better equipment is debatable; the East Coast Muties are fighting the Brotherhood, they do have laser weaponry, and their strongest soldiers greatly surpass any the West Coast has in terms of toughness (Overlords and Behemoths).
West Coast probably still has a fairly significant edge if it's both of them at the height of their power, but there's certainly room for either side here.

Also keep in mind that the "dumb" argument isn't exactly a great one, as DC mutants are able to talk almost as well as West Coast ones, and Nightkin are completely insane. West Coast Mutants are definitely smarter, but DC Mutants aren't too far behind.

Um, non-nightkin West Coasters are way more intelligent. East Coast super mutants have access to AEP9 Laser Rifles and stuff, AKA junk. Westers have Wattz 2000 Laser Rifles and P94 Winchester Plasma Rifles, both are far more scarier than anything the Easters have. And the East Coast is too unorganized.

Easters have Tri-beam Laser Rifles and Gatling Lasers.
People keep saying West Coasters are way more intelligent, but I'm not seeing it. They're more intelligent, sure, but it's not leaps and bounds. People forget that FO3 Super Mutants could actually form coherent sentences pretty readily because so much of their soundset was berserker roars. The claim that East Coasters don't work together is also patently false, as they always operate in groups, and they harvest humans to bring back for dipping; this implies a certain level of group collaboration.

I'd also point out that the West Coast Muties were crushed to the ground by a single individual, while it took an entire chapter of the BoS, the second most formidable fighting force on the continent, to do that to the East Coasters, and even then they barely won. So, if the West Coast was so much stronger, how did they fall so easily? The Vault Dweller pancakes them by himself.

Westers have Gatling Lasers too, and I think Tri-Beam Rifles too by 2281. Oh and V87 was pretty wiped out by Lone Wander too

Also Children of the Cathedral are also on their side East Coasters fly solo.

Not the same thing at all; in Fallout 1 the Vault Dweller steamrolls the entire Mutant Army, wipes out their HQ, and kills their leader. In Fallout 3 the LW sneaks into Vault 87 to get a G.E.C.K. and gets the hell out of there; there is no mention of the LW doing any kind of lasting damage to the Super Mutants there. If anything, the Enclave would have inflicted heavy casualties on their arrival, but the Lone Wanderer didn't deal anywhere near the same kind of damage by going into 87 that the Vault Dweller does to the Mutant Army. They fold to one guy; the Eastern ones take some damage from one person, but the primary blows are still dealt by the BoS and Enclave, elite and (relatively) numerous paramilitary organizations.

And yeah, the West has that tech too; just pointing out that the East Coast guys are perfectly capable of putting up a good fight with their tech. And then there's Behemoths.

Behemoths are rare. It'd take 3 or 4 Nightkin (in their prime) to take out a behemoth.

The general population DC mutants aren't to far behind the typical west coast. But the yellow mutants shun intelligence while the west coast pick them to be there leaders. As a whole the west coast mutants are more reasonable people. Even in Fallout 1 you can have a civil conversation with a few of the dump mutants.


The Master's armies weren't defeated by the Vault Dweller, The Master and his lieutenant were. Huge difference especially when you consider little to no combat is required to accomplish either task. The DC mutants threaten to overrun one city. The Master's Army threatens [and may over the course of the game] to over run several. It was the destruction of there leaders that won the war not the casualties caused by the Vault Dweller, Lore wise several chapters of the Brotherhood of Steel battled the mutant armies of the master as they retreated.



Sterile doesn't mean they can't have six, your thinking genderless like the Vault 87 mutants.
Being sterile means no production.

Well in New Vegas there is a very limited amount of super mutants.
We have Black Mountain and Jacobstown.

At Black Mountain, Tabitha forced Marcus out, and Keene is very likely to just up and leave with his mutants.
The West Coast super mutants are no longer sticking together like they used to.
They're split up into a multitude of groups with different goals and agendas and barely trust each other.
And equipment wise?
V87 mutants have pretty decent equipment as well from time to time.
So, it's Helios One all over again IMO.
WC SM's are disorganized and split into a multitude of fractions while V87 SM's are together in their goal.
While not as smart as WC SM's their idiocy might make for better combatants as they will fearlessly rush into battle while the WC SM's might be smart enough to realize that a fight is not in their best interest.

So currently, in 2281, WCSM's would be toast against V87SM's.

@ Lord Vukodlak-That's exactly my point; one person was able to bring down the entire Mutant Army. Whether or not he did it by killing all of them doesn't matter; he still did it.
A similar knockout blow to the East Coast SMs would be impossible as they don't appear to have a single cohesive leader.

Let's see, a 100 year veteran army of Master Muties and Nightkin vs. a bunch of neophyte insta-hulks backed by a few Overlords and Behemoths... NO CONTEST!

Size or numbers do not matter.

(That's what she said)


As seen in the Battle of Thermopylae.

No seriously, Overloads and Behemoths are nothing but bullet sponges, but if they were introduced to the West Coast Damage Threshold mechanics, I say they would fail horribly. No contest, yes. :fallout:

The West Coast super mutants are not affected by their age.

I thought he just pointed out a fact of the West Coasters being much more experienced. *grin* :wink_smile:

It does matter, because the master's army scattered most of them fleeing east and only handful staying behind and inter-grating into society. As they posses the ability to reason and organize that gives them an edge in war. The east coast mutants wouldn't be smart enough to hunt down the west coast leader[as if both armies are to meet and do battle the West coast must have a new leader]

The Vault 87 mutants main defense is most of there base is filled with deadly radiation, so the Lone Wanderer couldn't cleanse the vault of the last of them or destroy there production facility.[and by the sound of it the mutants were running out of green stuff so there ability to reproduce would soon end] Here's the real thing, the master's army threatened to over run the country and the world. The Vault 87 mutants threatened only the DC area. Even given equal numbers the west coasts ability to better organize and make friendly relations with the locals would mean victory.

The west has numbers, intelligence and the ability to reason on there side.

Damn :facepalm:

Notice how much tougher Giant Radscorpions got from Fallout 3 to New Vegas?

If Overlords and Behemoths were in NV, they would both have either absolutely massive HP pools, amazing DT, or both, as they are very high level enemies and as such would be statted appropriately.

Numbers also most certainly did matter in Thermopylae; the 6,000 or so Greeks there were overwhelmed by an absolutely massive Persian army over the course of three days. Much longer than it would have taken if they fought in the open, certainly, but numbers most definitely decided that battle.

Overlords and Behemoths are also not just "bullet sponges"; they are among the highest-damaging enemies in the game, as well. Behemoths hit like trucks, and Overlords typically carry the extremely lethal Tri-Beam Laser Rifle. In Broken Steel, an Overlord can mow you down in nothing flat with one of those things.

You don't need to be fertile to have six. West Coast Mutants are fully capable of doing the actual act of six. Bethesda's canon says they don't even have secondary or primary sixual characteristics, which is contrary to the first two games.

That's not true... We just saw the V87 Mutants later on.

They could have started raising their numbers thrity years or fifty years after the war... We have no clue!

I say V87 would win because even a group of thirty Marisopa Super Mutants would be no match for two Behemoths.

Sure they're smarter but they 1) mostly don't like working together 2) one of their greatest advantages (Nightkin) are mentally insane 3) They've been hunted and annihilated atleast a few times (The Vault Dweller couldn't be the only one)

Besides, has anybody really seen a Super Mutant or even a Ghoul Ranger in Vegas? I didn't think so.