East Empire Co. in Mournhold?

Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:29 pm

I'm not that wise on the lore but the question I have is: Would it be fathomable that there is an East Empire Co. contingent or an office or something in Mournhold? This question stems from a new character I've made that has to do with his back story. Thanks.

I looked on wiki and it says that there are two major offices in Morrowind, one in Ebonheart and on In Fort Frostmoth. So could there be a minor office in Mournhold?
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:32 pm

I'm not that wise on the lore but the question I have is: Would it be fathomable that there is an East Empire Co. contingent or an office or something in Mournhold? This question stems from a new character I've made that has to do with his back story. Thanks.

I looked on wiki and it says that there are two major offices in Morrowind, one in Ebonheart and on In Fort Frostmoth. So could there be a minor office in Mournhold?

The two major offices thing is based on the two offices visited in the game itself. It doesn't have any actual basis in the actual extent of the East Empire Company's infrastucture. (in other words, it's a stupid assumption made by the uesp) Don't be deceived by the UESP, they tend to have their facts screwed up when it comes to lore.

But the East empire company could have a huge mega-death office of utter maniacal awesome, or a teeny tiny outpost. Most likely, they have a large facility in Mournhold to deal with Helseth.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:13 am

I'm no expert, but I would think the answer is "No." I got the impression that the only reason they had operations in Vvardenfell is that the Empire was taking advantage of the newly-opened island. They wouldn't have had the freedom to establish a foothold elsewhere.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:15 am

The royalty probably wouldn't let any kind of group of foreign devils get any foothold in Mournhold besides perhaps the compulsory blades, legion, and cult offices. There might be one or to emissaries from the EE Co., but I doubt their office is much more than a table in a tavern.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:43 pm

The royalty probably wouldn't let any kind of group of foreign devils get any foothold in Mournhold besides perhaps the compulsory blades, legion, and cult offices. There might be one or to emissaries from the EE Co., but I doubt their office is much more than a table in a tavern.

This, basically.
At most i'd expect a small tiny office.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:01 am

Now would it make more sense for this hypothetical office to actually be in Mournhold proper, or lost somewhere in the sprawl of Almalexia? Because I don't know how receptive the Dunmer would be to having an Imperial company set up shop right smack in the middle of their religious and state capital.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:11 am

Helseth wouldn't have minded much.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:59 am

Helseth wouldn't have minded much.

Almalexia, the Temple, and at least three of the five houses would.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:48 pm

Almalexia, the Temple, and at least three of the five houses would.

After the events of Morrowind Almalexia is dead, the Temple probably losing followers (and I'm sure Vivec wouldn't care one way or the other), and if I recall correctly Indoril is gone, Redoran is annihilated, and Dres merged with Hlaalu. I don't see any reason to assume there could not be an EEC outpost in or close to Mournhold.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:39 pm

After the events of Morrowind Almalexia is dead, the Temple probably losing followers (and I'm sure Vivec wouldn't care one way or the other), and if I recall correctly Indoril is gone, Redoran is annihilated, and Dres merged with Hlaalu. I don't see any reason to assume there could not be an EEC outpost in or close to Mournhold.

Well if we're talking after Morrowind, we're going to have to specify the time, because the Empire (and thus the EEC) pretty much falls after the death of Martin VII, Mournhold becomes the provincial capital of New Argonia, and all the houses but Telvanni are dead.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:00 am

Well if we're talking after Morrowind, we're going to have to specify the time, because the Empire (and thus the EEC) pretty much falls after the death of Martin VII, Mournhold becomes the provincial capital of New Argonia, and all the houses but Telvanni are dead.

Considering the OP is role-playing I doubt 4th era Morrowind would be ideal.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:12 am

Considering the OP is role-playing I doubt 4th era Morrowind would be ideal.

Yeah. [censored] doesn't really hit the fan until Oblivion happens.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:58 am

Yeah. [censored] doesn't really hit the fan until Oblivion happens.

...yes? Which is at the beginning of the Fourth Era.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:46 pm

Which would mean that the OP wouldn't want to role-play during the Fourth Era, which means that what you said in post #9 is moot. What are you arguing about?
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:43 am

Which would mean that the OP wouldn't want to role-play during the Fourth Era, which means that what you said in post #9 is moot. What are you arguing about?

The events of Morrowind did not bring about the end of the 3rd Era. For RP purposes there is a period of time where it could work that there is an EEC outpost in Mournhold. Simple as that.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:06 am

The events of Morrowind did not bring about the end of the 3rd Era. For RP purposes there is a period of time where it could work that there is an EEC outpost in Mournhold. Simple as that.


Not really. Oblivion only happened a few years after Morrowind, and considering the the EEC's colony on Solsthiem failed, I doubt they had enough resources (political and financial) to establish an outpost in Mournhold.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:53 pm

Not really. Oblivion only happened a few years after Morrowind, and considering the the EEC's colony on Solsthiem failed, I doubt they had enough resources (political and financial) to establish an outpost in Mournhold.

It seems likely that an outpost was in Mournhold around the time of TES:III. Just because we didn't see it in-game doesn't mean it can't happen. Resources you say? Helseth was king.

Plus, this is for role-play purposes, the OP can have whatever they want.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:38 pm

It seems likely that an outpost was in Mournhold around the time of TES:III. Just because we didn't see it in-game doesn't mean it can't happen. Resources you say? Helseth was king.

Plus, this is for role-play purposes, the OP can have whatever they want.


It seems like what most people were saying before my post were arguments about why there probably wasn't an outpost in Mournhold. I didn't feel the need to repeat all of them, so I just summed up why it would be unlikely they established a presence after the events of Morrowind. As for it existing beforehand, I still find it very unlikely. You need to give more than just, "Helseth was King," for it to make sense. The Dunmer people were very xenophobic as a whole, and I doubt the majority of the people would smile on imperial presence in their capital city. In fact, I find Helseth as king to make it even more unlikely for them to exist there. He was the consummate politician, and had to balance the wants and interests of the Empire, with the wants and needs of Morrowind. Why would he waste political capital on allowing the EEC to set up shop in Mournhold? Regardless, even if he did, it would have been a difficult thing to achieve successfully.

And of course the OP can roleplay whatever he wants. That wasn't the question. The question was essentially, "would this be lore friendly?" And the answer is: not really. There's nothing that suggests there was a branch of the EEC in Mournhold, and based on the political climate of Morrowind, it's unlikely there was one we never heard about.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:31 am


Good points, but one could argue Morrowinds culture was on the verge of major reformation with the absence of the tribunal, and even among the ashlander tribes after the Nereverine prophecy.

I'm just saying its possible.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:51 pm

Good points, but one could argue Morrowinds culture was on the verge of major reformation with the absence of the tribunal, and even among the ashlander tribes after the Nereverine prophecy.

I'm just saying its possible.

One could also argue that the common people's views on the matter would be irrelevant. The distaste of the people of Saudi Arabia for America does not stop the U.S from having an embassy in Riyadh, and, similarly, the distaste of the dunmer for the Empire would not stop the East Empire Company from having an office in Mournhold. The political reality often trumps the public viewpoint, and the political reality is that the East Empire Company would have to be dealt with as part of Morrowind's trade policies. By having an office in Mournhold, the East Empire Company can influence Helseth and Helseth can influence the East Empire Company. In fact, I'd wager that any Mournhold office is probably a well-funded facility, and would have been designed as an edifice to Imperial superiority.
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Post » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:35 pm

One could also argue that the common people's views on the matter would be irrelevant. The distaste of the people of Saudi Arabia for America does not stop the U.S from having an embassy in Riyadh, and, similarly, the distaste of the dunmer for the Empire would not stop the East Empire Company from having an office in Mournhold. The political reality often trumps the public viewpoint, and the political reality is that the East Empire Company would have to be dealt with as part of Morrowind's trade policies. By having an office in Mournhold, the East Empire Company can influence Helseth and Helseth can influence the East Empire Company. In fact, I'd wager that any Mournhold office is probably a well-funded facility, and would have been designed as an edifice to Imperial superiority.


I'd have to agree with DarthRavanger here. Honestly, the Tribunal play a backroll compared to the politics of the Empire, and they have no weight on Imperial policy from what I gather. Morrowind is provience of the Empire, Legion garrisons are stationed at every major city, while they may not be present in Mournhold, no doubt theres a garrison in or near Alemexia. I'm certain the Dunmer people, the Tribunal and a whole lot of other people take issue with the Empire being there period and especially having troops around, why would they care so much more for East Empire outposts or offices? It would be very unlikely to find that the East Empire company did have an office in Morrowind's capital.

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