Hello wise old men with grey beards!

I'm hoping someone here could give me a better understanding of Ebonarm, God of War. Very little information is available on him and I could really use some information on him (information not found in several of the TES wikis). I'm working on a mod (If interested click the [wipz] cotd link in my sig) which might involve him, but it would greatly help if more information is available on him. Viable theories are also welcome.

From the information available I can conclude that he is not a Daedric prince (he is an enemy of most though), but I don't think he's Aedric either, there is no mention of that at least, but he is referred to as the God of War.

Well that's about it.

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http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/946486-reymon-ebonarm/page__p__13763271__hl__ebon%20arm__fromsearch__1&#entry13763271
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http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/947295-ebon-arm-and-justice/page__p__13696993__hl__ebon%20arm__fromsearch__1&#entry13696993
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/917196-ebonarm/page__p__13309947__hl__ebon%20arm__fromsearch__1&#entry13309947

Thank you very much prowler. Mhm, now to figure what to do with it...

If I remember, the prevailing theory is that he was a shezzarine.

Basically what I got out of it, either a human who mantled Shezzar or simply a local aspect of Shezzar to begin with.

Shezzar? *starts poking around the wikis again*

EDIT: Shor and Lorkhan?? *now I'm confused*

Basically an aspect of Lorkhan, viewed in a positive light by men. Such as Pelinal Whitestrake.

Edit: Shor, Shezzar, and Sithis, are all aspects of Lorkhan. Because of the Divine Pact, Lorkhan and the Divines are shaped by mortal myth and can appear in many different forms, depending on what the worshipper(s) believe.

Alright, thanks.

So if I understand it correctly, Reymon Ebonarm was similar to Pelinal Whitestrake. A sort of mortal form of the gods? So Pelinal was a mortal form of the eight and one? And Reymon could be the mortal form of another god/deity? Is that basically what we're looking at here? It's a bit strange as Pelinal doesn't come across as a mortal form of the Eight Divines, but more as an heroeic knight serving the Eight Divines. Pardon my lack of understanding if I am sounding like an idiot here

I'm not sure it will help much, but there's an interesting note at the top of http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b067_ebonarm.shtml at http://www.imperial-library.info/.

Your not an idiot, you just have a life. I'll try and put it VERY simply (about everything in this post could easily have its own thread)

As the Monomyth, or Words of Clan Mother, or any creation myth will tell you, Shor (Also called Lorkhaj, Lorkhan, Shezzar, Sep, Talos and Sheor), had his heart ripped out and shot into the Inner sea, where it formed the Island of Vvardenfell. However, being a god, even after his spirit departs to heaven and comes back (In a process known as "going through the Dream Sleeve") His soul will remain whole. Sometimes it/he forms a Mortal body (We only know for sure Pelinal Whitestrike, the CoC, King Wulfheart (all his reincarnations as well), and Zurin Arctus) These mortal bodies are known collectively as Shezzarines, because during the Reman era, Shor was called Shezzar, and -ine means "reincarnation of" or something similar (see Nevarine.) These bodies have a tendency to do amazing things.

Other suspected Shezzarines include, but are not limited to, Ebonarm, Cyrus the Redguard*, Frandar Hunding*, Divad Hunding*, Derik Hallin*, and a few others

*All HoonDings

So, my character in Oblivion is a mortal vessel for a god/gods? Does that mean that he didn't "exist" before the events of Oblivion or is he just kind of possessed or something? Or are these characters (for lack of a better term) created by the gods in order to prevent whatever catastrophe the gods see coming from happening?

I am assuming by the CoC you mean the Champion of Cyrodiil or is that acronym applied to someone else as well?

Huh, you're right, all those asterisked guys are HoonDings. I wonder, is there a deeper relationship between Shezzar and HoonDing?


No, that's not quite it, they are themselves as well as who they used to be. Sort of depends on which source you're looking at. If you ask someone who believes in the dreamsleeve/ that the Dreamsleeve is important in this context either way, then new "clumps" of soul gets attatched to the other part, forming a new being with simillarities to the originals (or at least I think that's how that works). I personally don't think the Dreamsleeve is here or there regarding Shezzarines ( or any other -ine), instead someone will have to explain Mantling to you, where you are you, but you do something like someone else until they are you, too. Or just play Shivering Isles.

Oh and yes, CoC is Champion of Cyrodiil.

i PUT ALL THE KNOWN Hundings in the possible section because many believe that hunding IS shor

Based on what, though? Why isn't the HoonDing Trinimac?