This should be in the FAQ.

But "myths" by themselves only seem to affect gods and mortals. It takes more than made-up explanations to shape the land itself. Such things have been done by Towers and CHIM. I know not whether the stores of Ebony and Glass have taken on being more than just igneous substances, but they remain very similar to a substance from a Daedric realm dominated by lava, which is outside of the sphere of influence of mortal myth.

And all of that aside, it seems perfectly feasible for the veins of ebony to extend as far as Solstheim.

CHIM no no quite, Towers yes, kidnda quite. But the Towers themselves are mythical, and http://imperial-library.info/fsg/briansarticle02.shtml

what's this about Daedric realms and whatnot?

But wasn't CHIM used by Tiber Septim to reshape Cyrodiil? Regarding the towers, they almost seem like antennae that channel myth into the land itself.


Daedric realms are not shaped by the myths of Nirn; they are shaped from within, usually by their Prince. In fact, it seems that towers have similar effects on those realms. Sigil Towers link the Deadlands to Nirn and blur the distinction between them. The Passwall Spire seemingly allowed one obelisk to reshape all of Passwall. And finally, the Tree of Madness shapes the Shivering Isles and may even be physically responsible for both the appearance and psycological abnormalities of Mania and Dementia.

I theorize that the difference is that because the Aedra gave parts of themselves up when they made Nirn, thus they are shaped by the myths (in particular pantheon myths) of Nirn.

Well yeah, definitely.

But I meant my huh? at this:
"but they remain very similar to a substance from a Daedric realm dominated by lava, which is outside of the sphere of influence of mortal myth."

I was talking about Daedric armor and weaponry, which was described by that orc in Armorer as ebony. Given how much of it they have, the geological similarities between Red Mountain and the Deadlands, and the lack of feasibility (or even possibility) of mining it from Nirn, I've always figured that Daedric equipment is more likely a substance equivalent to Ebony (volcanic glass) naturally occuring in the Deadlands. This could also explain the color differences; different mineral composition in the lava.

isnt slothsiem part of morrowind ???

that is true with daedric items, it's ebony that the daedra fused with other lesser daedra. is ebony naturally occuring in other realms? is it from other god's blood? or daedric prince blood?

I don't understand either. Who are these people?

The purpose of reading the untrustworthy lore is learning what to doubt and what to correlate.

Those philosophical Imperials and Bretons would be complete dunces. Or, if you prefer, erudite flat-earthers. Because their only evidence is an a priori assumption from a different universe. Myths are natural and the natural is a result of myth. The existence of any fact, being, or phenomenon that does not have a magical precedent and origin is an aberration.

Nirn still has natural laws and scientific truths just like Earth. We just know their origin and some of the basic mechanics, unlike in real life. Myth is science, and I don't get why it makes people so uncomfortable. The whole genre of fantasy relies on myth becoming true. What do you think those centaurs are doing in D&D? ES just deconstructs the idea a little bit. It's a pity that the current taste seems to be for a world populated by ethnic stereotypes with a Monty Python and the Holy Grail backdrop.

Touche

I'd say Fantasy has become a simulacra.

But Nirn was created before mortal myths. The myths don't determine it, they reshape it.

Because -- while there are certainly other thing aside from science that exist as truths in Nirn -- there are a great deal of real world concepts that already exist within Nirn. Weather patterns, flora, steel, forging in general, light, gravity, heck, the fact that people can even die. Genetics seem quite prevalent, just look at Bretons. Or just ask Agronak gro-Molag. Even just the fact that Vvardenfell itself is quite fragmented with island clusters to the north, east, and south seems to suggest that there is, in fact, some subterranean movement.

I'm not incredibly proficient in TES lore, but why NOT apply real world theories to TES?

Because of the importance of myth in shaping Mundus. Even so, I have to agree, on the grounds that such things preceded mortal myths and thus unless altered by the use of a tower with a myth contradicting it, an explanation not composed of mortal myth must exist.

Isn't that the same thing?

You guys look too deep within yourselves to really every understand any type of lore from anything, TES aside.

'But leik kk so whut bout glbims? There reason fro them to be lik thate, righ? Cuz in real wurld, thered haev 2 b.'

So go join a forum that's dedicated to proving LOTR lore is really real world stuff placed into the coat pocket of Humphrey Bogart, with the nostalgic cigar burn in the pocket being the aether-dimension-hole that links LORT's universe to weird indie film cutting-room-floors. O,r become a developer for TES, THEN you can [censored] to your bosses and tell them that the lore is all wonky because it's not like that in real life because the humidity in the Bitter Coast would be unbearable and everyone that lives in it would die. Then we can all laugh when you get your asses thrown to the curb so fast you forget who the hell your mom is.

But my point remains; Ebony has not significantly been altered by myth, as it remains remarkably similar to an equivalent volcanic glass found in a Daedric realm. Even when it has existed within and stems from Red Tower.

But where in TES lore does it every say that subterranean movement is impossible? Or any other real world concepts that we might apply to TES?

Everywhere.







To name a few blatant ones.

But how does this prove that there is no subterranean movement? Or are you going to just speak as though you're undoubtetly correct and keep putting up quotes without even connecting them to anything?

How in the world do you equate those to a lack of subterranean movements?

Realms fabricated from those bits of prior kalpas Dagon destroyed may have had gods blood on them. I don't know.

You need to explain to me first, how the scientific observations of a myth are valid. Perhaps something akin to it does happen. In that case, you and I aren't qualified to test with the delicate instruments required to know for certain. Neither have we access to Mundus, so I'm affraid we must rely on the perceptions of a mythical character, within a videogame. A figment of our imagination, in other words, and that is hardly scientific. It would be like looking at a plywood tree on a theatrical stage and assume there are roots below it, because it is a tree.

Okay, I'll explain. Through observation and study, it appears that the physical, biological, chemical, geological, etc. aspects of Nirn and the Realms of Oblivion are not too unlike those observed in reality. While myth is important to Nirn, it was preceded by the existence of the mundane world. Myth can reshape these pre-existing things, but such not only requires myths that involve the things in question, but a Tower to channel the myths. Perhaps Ebony has taken on certain properties due to myth acting through Red Tower, but this is uncertain.

I thin that he reason there's ebony on solstheim is the same as why there are so many dwarven weapons and armors in Cyrodil.

They are valid, because they could very well explain the question in hand -- why is there Ebony in Solstheim? Or maybe you missed the actual point of this thread? I've already listed of some real world concepts that quite obviously apply -- some how -- to the world of Nirn, if you read one of my previous posts, so there's nothing to say that plate tectonics or similar form of subterranean movement does not exist. And I, and anyone else who has mentioned it, propose it because it would quite easily answer the present question.

Since I don't think I've replied to the question in the title yet, here's a fun explanation that I like. Ebony is godsblood, the Heart is naturally going to have a very large amount of blood in it. Now what happens upon landing if you take a blood-filled heart and chunk it as far as you can? Well, when it hits the ground blood is gonna go flying everywhere, and given that the Heart was hurled all the way from Balfiera I don't find it odd that blood was spewed as far as Solstheim upon the Heart's impact.

You mean the Imperials had a monopoly on ebony and sent it Solstheim? :confused: