but slothsiem is close to morrowind wouldnt that make it have ebeny ?? or the writers wanted it to have ebeny its really not that strange for an island so close to vvardnfell to have ebony you know.

A mythical character is making these observations for you. Its like looking through a kaleidoscope and calling your observations scientific. The only way you can validate the mythical character's world, is with myth. We are given the myth. I too gave a theory as to how there can be ebony in the Deadlands. There is already a theory as to how it came to be in Solstheim. Also, everything is magicka/creatia, hence ebony's magical properties. If Dagon wanted ebony in his realm, so he shaped the magicka to be so. Finally, its a parallel dimension. You can't assume what's true for Mundus is true for the Deadlands.


There's nothing to say it does, either. That's what you were going to prove to me and the others, and you have failed. If a horse isn't a lion, it must be a walrus, right?


You jack-in-the-box. The answer was already given, and you scuttled it.

What's there to prove? Plate tectonics was suggested as a possibility for the Ebony on Solstheim. Not sure what you're trying to prove, since you can't prove a negative, but I'm just being open the possibility. If, as you say, everything observed is magical and not scientific nature, and so, genetics, reproduction, light, gravity, these are all a matter of perception, could subterranean movement not just be another perception? I'm really not sure why you continue arguing - there is nothing I've seen yet that convinces me that any such process isn't possible. You're arguing a moot point, and quite frankly, it's annoying.

No.

But that's why there were Dwemer items in Cyrodiil, the Empire had been forcibly importing all they could get their hands on... its the exponential amount that is uncalled for...

:banghead:

Dear sweet god.

Feeling is mutual, SITHIS.

THE TEMPORAL MYTH IS MAN

Was kind of the key there. Man, I guess I should draw diagrams.

Man is not subsequent, nor forever. So, EVEN IF there were tectonic plates shifting Atmora closer to Skyrim every year or so, or even if there were small underground pockets of ebony that decided to pull a 'Quantum Leap' and appear in random places away from Red Mountain, or even if global warming is eminent because Mangus keeps farting off the top of a mountain, man will never (in TES) have a true place to say which IS or IS NOT with The Wheel.

Seriously though, all of these 'who says it is, who says is isn't?'-thriving threads are sooo annoying. Get a [censored] clue, realize it's JUST A GAME, and get over yourselves.

Well, that was rather irrelevant... why don't we see if we can tie CHIM in too, just for giggles...


You do realize that everything done in this forum is done in a quasi-roleplaying sense, therefore the "its just a game" mindset is like going into the FanFiction forum and telling them that they're not really a Dark Brotherhood assassin out to get the Emperor, its an understood fact that is neither relevant nor useful to the enjoyment of the universe.

Why bother talking then? Let's just answer "It's just a game" to all questions.

Lol at SITHIS.

That's assuming the myth was made by mortals. What if the ascension to heave by force is the law of the Aubris? We have our gravity and our speed of light and our quantum mechanics. We didn't make these, they are there before there were mortals. In the TES universe, the "laws" governing the whole place are what we are calling 'myths' - the thief, mage, warrior; taking heaven by force; ripping out somone's heart and taking their place; and so on.

As for why there's daedric armor in the Deadlands - possibly, the armor can only be made from ebony in the Mundus because that is the only substance able to 'contain' the soul of the lesser daedra. God's blood. Perhaps, in the realms of Oblivion, the base material infused with the soul is not ebony, but some other substance - raw creatia? :shrug:

The 'glass' armor and weapons shouldn't be confused with volcanic glass. The book http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/light_armor_repair.shtml indicates the material behaves more like a metal than a crystal.

Frankly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_glass (if you want to bring in the Real World) is quite brittle, and you can't really shape it into arms and armor since it just fractures.

But are the stars affected by the myths, or do those myths simply cause the birthsigns seen on Nirn depending on the stars?


It's certainly possible, I'm just using what I consider a more likely explanation, given the evidence.


In Morrowind, I recall some interesting things; Glass weaponry was pretty brittle, and Ebony weapons didn't seem completely ebony; they appeared to be metal with ebony along the edges of the blade. Likewise, glass armor wasn't completely glass, and ebony armor was mostly chainmail with some plating lying over it. And of course, they made sharper blades than most metal equivalents. Oblivion seemed to forget all of this, but then again, I don't think any of us are really that surprised.

It seems that while TES may have sciences, they do not perfectly parallel those of reality. Just look at racial interbreeding, or Daedric physiology.

If we're willingfully looking at the real world, now, Alaisiagae (and you opened this door), look at diamonds. Hardest mineral on earth, but a relatively weak material, and yet its used to make blades and saws.

No, tying CHIM into anything is just like saying IT'S ONLY A GAME.

I guess the lore section isn't for me. I like to discuss provincial points about lore, not try and argue weather or not tectonic plates exist, and try to tie real world sciences into the mix. Like, to each their own, ya know? But I find these kinds of topics counter-productive. Or counter-thought-provoking.

Whichever.

But that's kinda part of lore.

Ironic I say that because I recall making a statement similar to yours a long time ago...

Ironic that you think it's irony because I've had the same sentiments since 2001. And I guess I will forever keep them.

I can see how it part of 'lore forum topics', but when most topics are about Dagon attacking Kavatch, or Martin's possible son, or CHIM, or how Mannimarco was so weak in Oblivion, that's really not adding much to it. As for being part of Lore, no I really don't think so. I mean if you take lore and try to refine it with modernism, you no longer have the original lore. It's nice to debate upon it, but not nice to really try and see it forcing its way into the real game lore. I mean, if there's any sort of geological order, then the Earthbones are no longer suit. Maybe I'm just a noob at lore. Maybe I don't have an open-enough mind to simply try and deal with these sorts of questions. But when people ask why there's ebony in Soltheim, and they're given multiple lore-certified causes, yet they still like to wager against those odds and say it MUST be something on a physical or geological scale, I just feel like lore should just no longer be rich and high-minded. It should just be full of holes so people here can stake their claim at that part in lore.

God's Blood = Cool.
Tectonic Shifts Beneath Tamriel's Surface = Boring, and therefore WRONG.

If I cared about tectonics, I'd go read a book on geology.

Plate tectonics or even the sewer systems of Daggerfall are not really the point. Despite your personal tastes there actually are more mundane aspects of the lore, everything isn't answerable by quoting the Sermons, and that's a good thing - if it weren't then the Sermons would have no world to play in and Vehk would just be a well-hung bald dude floating in a void.

Now, I wouldn't do away with the Sermons for anything or the deep, thought-provoking aspects of the lore, however I don't immediately dismiss everything else as unworthy of discussing just because its not going to provide some metaphysical epiphany nor do I dismiss others for entertaining thoughts that don't touch the clouds. Try sinking your roots into the more literal aspects of the world lest your head should ascend you into the eternal nothingness beyond the egg to be lost forever to everything save your own delusions of grandeur at being able to hide the world behind your thumb...

Yeah man, I totally understand what you mean. Thanks for the synopsis.
I love the little bits of lore. As much as I love the Sermons, I like to see the individual little cities have their own deities and persona. And I love the thought of seeing the topic discussed; ebony in Solstheim. It's there, but why? But I just tire from the fact that two extremely plausible reasons, the two reasons best supported by the lore we have to work with, were given, and yet it seems like it ALWAYS has to come back around to 'but in real life...'

It saddens me. Because this ISN'T real life. I mean, if I were one of the lore writers and I saw people trying to make mt hard ass work and put it around to sub-gradients of real world reasoning, I'd feel like I didn't do my job right. So, I hope you can understand what I mean, and I don't mean to come off as arrogant, but I'm sure the people on the other side of the debate don't mean to as well.

AE SITHIS and Luagar are totally having a bromance in this thread

Group hug guys. We can make it

What ever happened to splattered gods blood? :wub:

That's understandable, and as you note we already do have plausible theories regarding why there is in this case ebony on Solstheim (theories which I agree with actually), however I see no reason to end the discussion just based on that fact. If people are willing to entertain more mundane explanations I say let them, either they'll find ground to plant their ideas or they won't - either way if they want their world to be less spectacular than mine what's it to me, just so long as they don't go trying to tell me that Morihaus was just a cow and that TES has messed up genetics or something else diametrically opposed to given lore.

That said, can nothing productive really come from entertaining realistic theories? I don't really see how geology nullifies earthbones, that's like saying that Nirn having something like gravity nullifies magick and myth, but it doesn't, it simply adds another dynamic should it turn out to hold water - like the moons and the tides.

:touched:

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:ahhh:

It turned into ebony, haven't you been paying attention at all...

We can play Backwards Marathon and all give a little of ourselves to each other, broskie.

baby I knew you'd never leave me

But the stars are the holes poked into oblivion. Or they could be something else - raw magicka? They aren't necessarily burning balls of gas like in our universe. Kind of like how Lie Rock is a sorta-sentient being, not simply a hunk of inanimate rock.