About SMs: It's basicaly the same Virus (different strain I know). Something usefull that these countless scribes could do. Espescially with Virgil around who seems to have found the solution . But no we have to get rid of this evil, evil institute.

About the Raiders: Yeah don't know how to feed them, best to make a genocide then we don't have that many mouths to feed and can support !!!our!!! troops.

Let us not get intel from the people there (even if I have guy/girl at my hand who knows this all, the frozen one ), lets take it with our tincans.

It was the Brotherhood that was attacking the place either way.

See Operation Red Glare.

And when talking with Kells about Virgil opens up the possibility that the BoS can use Virgil to make a cure and to be an asset. Raiders don't just want food, they want caps and everything else they think they can get through force. Again, your point of "We should ignore these murdering, [censored] and savage raiders because crime is ok!" is bad and all you're doing is making yourself look foolish.

FO4 did a great job to show the reasons how a raider becomes a raider. You are writing that I say that they should be ignored. That's not true at all. As it is always with terrorism (which actually fits for the raiders) you have to get to rid of the reasons why raiders choose to become that way and yes one of them was simply hunger.

Are you seriously proposing the people of the Wasteland, be they settlers or BoS members, coddle raiders and supermutants..?

Or you could do the right thing and take them out so they're no longer a problem and because they make a living by killing, stealing and [censored]. Just handing them supplies and telling them to stop won't do crap but make them take advantage of you, it's better to take them out of business because again, all they know how to do is kill, steal and [censored].

Again, stop trying to push this foolish bad point made just to make the BoS look bad.


Nah, he is just doing it because he can make it a point against the BoS, that's how straw grasping his points are.

No I am stateing that you don't win a war against terrorism (raiders) with brute force. That actually produces more. And FO4 SM's actually have a chance to be cured if I don't go the BOS lets ignore the problems and solve them with brute force only.

And mourn about loved ones. Having fun at robot races. Having trade with each other... yes FO4 Raiders are all simple shoot them up enemies.... NOT!!!!

No just ignore crime! Ignore the people attacking settlements and [censored] people!!!@!!@!! Better yet give them supplies that can be used to help them raid more BECAUSE THIS APPARENTLY MAKES SENSE!

Yeah, like with the Joker, Batman didn't kill him, so he goes and kills many more people. Raider is not a race, you can't commit genocide against them, you can kill all of the existing raiders, so they can't recruit more people. You should give them all your caps, so they could start a new life as merchants.

I'll volunteer you to go to a raider and supermutant hideout to cure them and reasons with them since you're so good at diplomacy. Remember that outside of the video games, you're not invincible and a bullet to the head or a suicider can kill you instantly.

Yes, yes you do. The raiders are not fighting for an ideology, they're criminals who figured out killing and stealing is an easier way of getting what they want than working for it. Killing them off puts an end to that, and the people who actually work get to keep their lives. No amount of idle enemy pvssyr will make me feel sorry for raiders, they can tend to crops like the rest, or they can do what they're doing and get shot. Their choice.

Virgil can cure one supermutant - himself. He tells you creating a potential universal cure might take decades, if it's even possible at all. Meanwhile, supermutants eat people, so sorry, I'm shooting them as well.

It's the good old principle killing produces further killing. If you wipe out a full faction you show how gruesome you are and produce opposition (because War, War never changes). The Khans are actually a example of (admited not very well) socialised Raiders.

And we are talking about a video game here and as many in this thread have not read several times (even if I write it now for the third time): I don't want the BOS any different in FO4. Simply because the game wouldn't work at all if they where. I am not against the BOS. I simply think they are not the solution for a stable peacefull Commonwealth.

War is not determine by who's right but by who's left. My ending is the Institute, so I'm not even defending the BoS anyway. I'm sure there are a lot of people sympathize with murderers, show me proofs that opposition springs out over killing murderers and robbers.

Is someone really claiming that its genocide to fight back against Raiders?

Seriously?

Oh and for the record there is only one race in Fallout, Human (okay there is one alien as well)....neither Ghouls, Super Mutants or Synths are races, the first two are human mutants and the last is an appliance. So no genocide or racism can exist in any of their cases and of course there is zero evidence of any persecution of ghouls by the Brotherhood........also raider is a generic term for those scum who have chosen to live through preying on their fellow man (I wish we had named gangs instead) , I'm always willing to donate a bullet or two to a good cause.

For those who believe mark III Synths are special, please explain why they are any more 'alive' than a Mr Handy or any of the other robots (or sentient AIs such as Eden) with personalities.

This logic literally made me laugh. The idea that resisting robbers and murderers means that "robbers and murderers" will largely vanish as a noteworthy class of people in the Wasteland = genocide is just nine kinds of bizarre.

That wasn't the Railroad; that was Sole Survivor plot armor.


Look at the "who would win without the SS" poll. Not a single vote for your RR.

Video game protagonists are power fantasy. The RR would always die no matter what. All their bases were taken over by the Institute and they would have wiped out by the BoS if it wasn't for the SS. Yes, RR would never win if it wasn't for the SS's plot armor.

I don't believe I was around for that.

RR' are rebels, not a regular force like the BoS or an infinite recruitment pool base like the Institute can have.

They do have "some excellence" , but so does every other faction, in a way larger scale.

Institute Coursers > BoS Paladins > RR Heavies .

RR have sympathizers but they do not help them fighting that much. best they can do is to sneak out the major fight, they're not supposed to play a major role within' the war, but to get the best out of the major powers fighting each other.

Which means: get time to rebuild, recruit more people, train more heavies, rescue more synths, strenghten their controlled bases, prepare more backup bases etc,etc

They're so underdogs that it makes actually really fun and challenging being on their side due to this aspect, but its the less possible outcome they'd win both Institute and Brotherhood.

m2c, obviously.

You cant argue facts with people who are ruled by personal emotional morality

Lyons recruited wastelanders regularly. See: Initiate Reddin. Most of the initiates training inside the Citadel are probably wastelanders as well.

Sarah Lyons also mentions having too many green-horn wastelander recruits. Defender Morgan of the Outcasts also says: "We aren't recruiting kid. Elder Lyons might trust walk-ins, but we don't."

Maxson just continued Lyons' policy. It was not his original idea. That point goes to Lyons, not Maxson.

Then you obviously haven't seen the RR briefing that occurs once the Prydwen first enters. Long before the BOS actually do ANYTHING to the RR, the RR are already plotting to destroy the BOS because they want to kill synths. This is LONG BEFORE THE BOS DOES ANYTHING TO THE RR AND HAS JUST ARRIVED meaning the RR were plotting to destroy the RR first.

Because the Brotherhood telegraphed their plans for synth extermination? They were clearly the aggressors.

Just like to preface this by saying I am by no means a RR supporter but:

Different levels of AI Intelligence. Your average Mr. Handy is more equivalent to a dog in terms of AI intelligence. Has a more basic grasp of simple commands and communication abilities. ED-E probably falls in this category as well.

Eden on the other hand, is fully sentient and cognizant. As are the Gen-3 Synths. Displaying a level of intelligence on-par with humans.

Its anologous to humans and primates. Humans are a branch of the Great Apes. What separates us from these other hominids? Why do we keep apes in Zoos and not humans? Level of intelligence basically.

Synths are dangerous because they are whatever they are programmed to be. Including sleeper agents.

They don't evolve. They're manipulated.

It is the correct choice to destroy them before they become capable of altering their own programming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HmQNkcAhgg