Maybe I was a bit hyperbolic, but I really love Macs. I wasn't flaming, but think whatever you like. And I stand by my statement that I don't know why more people don't use Macs. I wasn't insulting people who like PCs, I wasn't saying that I'm a better person than anyone, I was stating my opinion, so no need to throw accusations of flaming around (which is also against the rules :thumbsup: ).

Eh, it still seems like he is trying to start something. He could have said something more like "I believe Macs are better, and I definitly think TES should be made for Mac." That states his opinion without making it sound flamish. And you can flame on a product, it doesn't have to be directed at a person...

I imagine... playing PC games on my PC.

No, he get's a nice looking computer but pays double the price. That's all.

If he uses boot camp to boot Windows 7, it's practically a Windows PC. It's just more expensive and has more crappy hardware. But of course, if that's how he wanna spend his money... :shrug:

I dont have a problem with the second sentence, that's fine. But the first one still sounded like an elitest statement that was attempting to start something.

It's still a legitimate opinion to have on something that has no feelings to be hurt. He thinks they're better in every way, he's wrong of course, but he's not breaking any rules or being insulting. Windows isn't off in a corner crying right now because of what he said.

Personally, I'd love to have it for mac.

Since it's apparently such a big deal I changed my original post. Merry Christmas. :vaultboy:

Ahahahaha. I love how you say it's a legitimate opinion, that blatantly state that his opinion is wrong in the next sentence.

Back to the original sentence. I believe Macs are far worse than PC's in many ways. I'll list one right now. The whole point of this thread. They don't have Skyrim. Would this thread exist if people didn't want Skyrim on Mac? No. Mac's are worse in that way.

Me too. And they also run greatly.

I cant stand Macs.

Macs are not gaming machines, so no, Elder Scrolls should not be made for them.

The same reason TES games aren't made for Wii. The system simply isn't designed for it. Im gonna be pissed if my game has to suffer so a Mac user can play the game.

You wanna play TES, get a PC or an X-Box

A mac couldn't handly skyrim with its pitiful graphics card.

Morrowind on the other hand would be awesome. I really want to play that game as I have a mac.

New generation iMacs have at least a 512MB HD6750M. It's certainly better than the Xbox.

Being better than an Xbox isnt something to brag about... Even when it first came out, PC outclassed it in every way.

When will people get over this "Mac vs PC" [censored]? There is no more a competition between Macs and PC's, as there is between my foot and your ass :flamethrower:

praise ms

Those who voted "No" and "No way in hell" = "If I don't want it on a mac then no one else should have it." It seems that there are a lot of self-centered selfish people in this forum. What is so wrong in having them for both PC and MAC? Or should only PC uses have the privileges?

Anyways, it shouldn't matter because with bootcamp, every PC game will run smoothly. You shouldn't even be able to tell the difference. I played Final Fantasy 14, Fallout 3 and New Vegas and they work like a charm in Ultra Settings (2011 macbook Pro.) So there! Problem solved with bootcamp. But those who pc elitist who think that only PCs deserve Skyrim make me weep for humanity.

I'm not going to pretend I'm a master of both systems, because I'm not, all I've ever used is PC. But, I do know a few things. For one, writing a program for a Mac operating system can't be THAT bad compared to windows. I've written Windows programs before, and lemme tell you, it's no walk in the park. Secondly, and probably the biggest note of all: Directx.

Macs don't have DirectX. DirectX is Microsoft's creature. If you want a game to run on a Mac, you need to translate it to OpenGL*, a completely different graphics system, as well as finding new libraries for anything else you used in DirectX, such as input and sound. The Xbox360 uses a modified version of DirectX 9, which I'm sure is part of the reason why developers choose DirectX - you're basically writing the game for 2 systems simultaneously. There is more to it than that, obviously, but it definitely does help, and saves a LOT of time when it comes time to port. Now, if they were to abandon DirectX in favor of OpenGL, there are many multiplatform wrapper libraries out there to make portability seamless. Porting the game to Mac or even Linux would be as easy as recompiling (once you install the proper library versions), but those wrapper libraries aren't made for consoles, so they'd still have to make xbox and ps3 specific versions, which they're doing now anyway.

Oh, and Bootcamp and those other programs that enable Windows games on Macs is doing nothing but emulating DirectX. Emulating, for anybody who's aware, is LEAGUES slower than running it on the native system with equivalent hardware.



*Some people say that DirectX is inherently better, or faster, than OpenGL. They're full of it. In some cases it can be faster, but it depends on the programmer more than anything. With extensions, OpenGL can do everything, and much much more, than DirectX ever could.

EDIT: lol look at me, skirting around the issue. Yes, I think that Skyrim SHOULD come out for mac. I just think it WONT. Imo, the more people that can enjoy the beauty, the better.

They cost about four times as much and there's less software available for them.

Basically yes I was one of those but only because I can and it doesn't mean anything except make mac fans angry lol Also taking video game forum polls seriously makes me weep for your sanity


Such as?

edit: wow looking back I had atrocious grammer there that I can't even believe lol note to self no more all-nighters.

um.. no. I have a macbook pro and I used to play WoW/Rift and it ran perfectly at maximum settings (not rift bc that game technically mac users aren't allowed to use it, so I had to run it through a program to let me use it)

I own an Xbox 360, but I play on it bc I enjoy xbox live, a controller, + I prefer to play most games on consoles.

This man nails it. I'm actually trying to get a job at Apple and I don't like their hardware much, but I'm more than willing to love it while I'm getting paid $12 an hour to do so. Back to the point, though, they build their ad campaigns primarily around a few points: 1) Better than PCs 2) Easy to use 3) Sleek and trendy. Point 2 is a valid one, as I've seen an iMac turn my grandmother into an avid computer user. Points one and three... well, "better" in some senses, yeah, but in my experience Macs break about as much as PCs do when they're being used by people who know what they're doing. I strongly suspect that their "it just works" premise wouldn't have a leg to stand on if the OS was more widespread and thus became a juicier target for virus and malware coders.

I also have a rather unique problem with Apple: They want to take away my buttons. I like buttons. I love the tactile feedback of my smartphone's slide-out keyboard. I am currently saving up until I get enough disposable income to get a buckling spring mechanical keyboard, you know, those loud clickety-clackety ones that every PC came with in the early to mid nineties. Back when I worked at Circuit City I liked the Samsung TVs the best because at the end of the night when we were shutting everything down I just pressed the power button that was proudly displayed front-and-center rather than hidden away in the darkest recesses of Mordor. For some reason Apple despises buttons and even has a whisper-quiet low-profile keyboard that feels like it was swiped from a laptop. Those hard-to-press keys are supposed to be a drawback of using a portable computer, damn it. I want to feel what I type.

I have no idea what you are talking about. My macbook pro doesn't have keys missing, the keys being quiet is a good thing.), reg mac laptops however I agree i don't like spacing in between the keys, but the Pro version is perfectly fine.

Edit: I'm glad the keys aren't noisy. hearing the constant bombardment of keys at ridiculously fast speeds at a computer lab, etc, makes me angry + want to rip their keyboard and throw it away.

Many a people feel the same, sorry to burst your bubble.

It was a mistake to bring up Macs on a forum dominated by PC users.

I think it would be plausible and fun to put ES on Macs. They are expensive, but that doesn't change the fact that people have them, and still buy them. They are good computers, good enough to run Oblivion and most probably Skyrim.

To all fellow Mac users: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxgames/. I haven't tested it so I'm not entirely sure it will work. I also don't know if it would support the CS or anything.

All apple products are more expesive than they should be

To all fellow Mac users: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxgames/. I haven't tested it so I'm not entirely sure it will work. I also don't know if it would support the CS or anything.
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I have that, it fully depends on what is being used. (however it does run slower (not always the case) + you can't have that great of settings (on mmo's) On graphics/hardware demanding games it definatly won't be that fast + you won't be able to play on near max settings without lagging tremendously)