Elf [censored] is heavy : V

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:07 am

Why are elf swords heavier than iron, steel and orc (or was it dwarven...or both!) swords?

I expected a small increase in damage coupled with a huge drop in weight, I lol'd when it was actually heavier than the sword I was carrying -- Now, I realize this isn't D&D and all but Elves make light [censored] ... that's their thing!

Also, elven daggers should weigh ounces not pounds. Ingots and ore, as well.

One more thing on this subject ...

So there's elf [censored] ... but who made it? It looks nothing like what wood elves or dark elves might craft. Don't tell me they were all apprentices under the same blacksmith.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:03 pm

I'm going to assume Rapier? I hope anyway...

NM, [censored] as in stuff. I thought you were talking sword type, eh, it's early.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:56 pm

Been this way since Oblivion. Each equipment tier increases in weight.

The elves made it. The Altmer. The Dunmer made glass and ebony.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:55 pm

Uhh, I think that the "Elven" goods in the game are actually supposed to be "Ayleid." Heartland High Elves, now extinct, is the idea. The Altmer have since taken up the craft, apparently, since the Thalmor seem to have a plentiful supply of the stuff.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:05 pm

Elven gear is Aldmer design that the Altmer have continued (The Ayleids used to use the design as well, until Pelinal Whitestrake got sick of those [censored] elves on this [censored] continent and sent them all packing to Oblivion): Bosmer and Dunmer aren't "True" elves to the "High" elves.

Also, encumberance isn't just weight: it also factors in volume and general awkwardness to carry. Elven swords and daggers are too high-class to be caught hanging about in the same part of your pack as your lesser, man-made gear - hence, they encumber you more.

OR

The swords are actually light, but their attitude makes them a pain to carry.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:42 pm

I also noticed that my elf armor has a pot belly instead of having contours that suggest a lithe form. What gives?

My guess is that elven armor/weapons are made by high elves. But elf [censored] should definitely way little.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:49 am

The elves made it. The Altmer. The Dunmer made glass and ebony.

I never knew that, but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:55 pm

TES doesn't have to bow to the silly repetitiveness of Tolkien's little rule book, the Dwemer is the main exit from that.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:37 pm

Nords ftw

Cheers

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:27 pm

The elves made it. The Altmer. The Dunmer made glass and ebony.

And bosmer made Fur

I also noticed that my elf armor has a pot belly instead of having contours that suggest a lithe form. What gives?

My guess is that elven armor/weapons are made by high elves. But elf [censored] should definitely way little.

But then, the armor couldn't contain the High Elves' figures! They are too important to not enjoy rich diets that interfere with slipping into lithe armors.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:37 pm

Uhh, I think that the "Elven" goods in the game are actually supposed to be "Ayleid." Heartland High Elves, now extinct, is the idea.

This

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:17 pm

I also noticed that my elf armor has a pot belly instead of having contours that suggest a lithe form. What gives?

My guess is that elven armor/weapons are made by high elves. But elf [censored] should definitely way little.

Pot-bellied armor deflects arrows a lot better than, uh, flat-chested armor (not like that!).
I've seen a renaissance suit in Prague that took that to extremes and were more or less V-shaped

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:42 pm

Been this way since Oblivion. Each equipment tier increases in weight.

Should be but its not. Compare weights of maces. Elven is tier 2 and weighs 17. Dwarven is tier 2 and weighs 16. Orcish is tier 3 and weighs 15.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:16 am

Well one reason they could be heavier is that a heavier blade will do more damage that a lighter one.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:08 am

Also, encumberance isn't just weight: it also factors in volume and general awkwardness to carry.

Yea but in the smithing screen it doesnt say encumberance it says weight.
edit: in fact, I dont see encumberance listed anywhere.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:49 pm

But elf [censored] should definitely way little.

I lol'd.

Either way, are you sure elven stuff in this game is actually supposed to be like that or are you just assuming based on lore from other universes like DnD and Lord of the Rings?

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:28 am

Going on aesthetics, Orcish and Dwarvern weaponry should be heavier than Elven.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:26 pm

Why would anyone use anything less than Daedric?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:00 pm

Why would anyone use anything less than Daedric?

You can reach the armor cap in leather armor if you work for it. It's quite easy to hit with elven/dwemer and above.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:07 pm

Been this way since Oblivion. Each equipment tier increases in weight.

The elves made it. The Altmer. The Dunmer made glass and ebony.

Except that elven is in the "light" progression and iron the "heavy." Light always did less damage than its heavy counterpart, but weighed less. Elven should be lighter than gear made from metals used to make heavy armor. Also, what happened to mithril? I don't recall seeing it.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:13 am

Should be but its not. Compare weights of maces. Elven is tier 2 and weighs 17. Dwarven is tier 2 and weighs 16. Orcish is tier 3 and weighs 15.

Weapon and armor tiers are different. Actually compare their damage to weight just to make it easy. Elven is 14/17. Dwarven is 13/16. Orcish is 12/15

For weapons it's Iron -> Steel -> Orcish -> Dwarven -> Elven. I'm not sure where Ebony and Glass fit after that. The numbers I'm looking at seem inconsisent on glass' value.

Except that elven is in the "light" progression and iron the "heavy." Light always did less damage than its heavy counterpart, but weighed less. Elven should be lighter than gear made from metals used to make heavy armor. Also, what happened to mithril? I don't recall seeing it.

Except no. There is no light and heavy progression for weapons. Morrowind might have had that, but Oblivion dropped it right out. Weapons have one progression.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:26 pm

Should be but its not. Compare weights of maces. Elven is tier 2 and weighs 17. Dwarven is tier 2 and weighs 16. Orcish is tier 3 and weighs 15.

Actually:
Iron is tier 1 - Armor and Weapons
Steel is Tier 2 - Armor and Weapons
Orcish is Tier 3 Weapons, but Tier 4 Armor
Dwarven is Tier 4 weapons, but Tier 3 armor

And it says weight, but it's actually encumberance. Elven weapons are too snobby to be lightweights.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:25 pm

The Dwemer made Dwarven (Obvisouly)

I'm not sure what the Bosmer made.

The Altmer made Elven, well sort of.

Dumer made Ebony and Glass armour and weapons

Humans made Fur Armour, Leather Armour, Hide Armour, Steel, Iron and a few other things.

Daedra made Daedric, Amber and Madness armour and weapons.

I'm not too sure who made Mithril, probably Dwemer or Bosmer.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:17 pm

I'm going to assume Rapier? I hope anyway...

NM, [censored] as in stuff. I thought you were talking sword type, eh, it's early.

My bad. I shouldn't try to be clever when I ask questions.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:18 am

The Dwemer made Dwarven (Obvisouly)

I'm not sure what the Bosmer made.

The Altmer made Elven, well sort of.

Dumer made Ebony and Glass armour and weapons

Humans made Fur Armour, Leather Armour, Hide Armour, Steel, Iron and a few other things.

Daedra made Daedric, Amber and Madness armour and weapons.

I'm not too sure who made Mithril, probably Dwemer or Bosmer.

Conjurors, not Daedra, made Daedric armor and weapons. The daedra had about as much role in creating Daedric armors as Deer have in making Deerskin Jerkins.

Bosmer make Fur armor. It's all they know how to make. They may have also made Dragon Bone and Scale armor designs, due to them making everything out of animal bits.