So, if I understand you right, you want to make all travel time consuming and tedious just so you can have more "strategic" combat? I'm sure they can come up with better ways of achieving that.

I think this would work just fine:
While standing still your stamina regenerates pretty fast.
While walking your stamina regenerates at a decent rate.
While running you slowly lose stamina(Emphasis on slowly)
While sprinting you lose a lot of stamina.

Players who are against eating, sleeping and drinking do all these things in the Fallout games (because in the default games, eating, drinking, and sleeping heals you . . . in a very unrealistic way), yet do the same thing realistically, an suddenly it becomes too tedious, and "ruins" the game for them.

Again if you lose stamina while running how are you going to sprint? It would not make sense. You should regain stamina while running. Thats how sprint works is most games that have it. Even in other open world rpg's like TW2, your stamina refills while running.

No. That isn't what I said.

There's a LOT more to this than just making combat more strategic . . . but you never tried my Tweaks, and you are not reading what I wrote in my other posts in this thread.

The biggest argument against the addition of more realism in this forum is that it will just make the game more tedious, while many of us see these things as making the game much more interesting. I've already stated that this was not done correctly in Morrowind, but that it could be done much better, as an example, I used how I did this in my own mod. But I'm not going to repeat what I wrote, as I'll be accused of "hore out your mods" again.

Players who are against eating, sleeping and drinking do all these things in the Fallout games (because in the default games, eating, drinking, and sleeping heals you . . . in a very unrealistic way), yet do the same thing realistically, an suddenly it becomes too tedious, and "ruins" the game for them.

Again if you lose stamina while running how are you going to sprint? It would not make sense. You should regain stamina while running. Thats how sprint works is most games that have it. Even in other open world rpg's like TW2, your stamina refills while running.

You would have to walk for like 5-10 seconds, or take a quick stop and look at the amazing view for instance. Do you think you could live with that? It makes much more sense that stamina is slowly being lost when running, than the opposite (being a pro athlete from birth). I mean... try it out in real life.

There are also many ways to increase stamina in Skyrim, making it even easier for those who like running a lot without getting tired that easily.

I've tweaked the mod "Realistic fatigue" in Oblivion to this. I really really like it. There are also panting sounds accompanied to the fatigue, so it feels realistic. When I'm supposed to be tired, I now I am tired, and while I take things a bit slow for a few seconds, I can look at the amazing view or simply just "take in the world".

It's going to be exactly like oblivion, where nothing is drained for only using the anolog stick, just now with an added in FPS-like spring ability that will drain stamina. Almost guaranteed there will be a perk to slow down the rate at which stamina is drained or possibly eliminate the drain completely.

This is truth. In spite of what anyone might desire, this is the way it's going to be. You'll be able to run eternally, and yes Kefka - don't worry. You'll be able to regen stamina while running (as ludicrous as that is if viewed from any even vaguely realistic point of view), specifically so that you'll be able to sprint whenever you want. And I'm willing to bet that there will be a perk (or maybe a couple in succession) that will result in you being able to sprint eternally as well.

There will be no bumps along the Expressway to Uber City.....

Become a good hunter. Sneak up behind them and karate chop? Thats kinda what i did at one point, but it didn't really amuse me

Killing deer with my fist kind of....emptied my soul more than it amused me. :sadvaultboy:

Yea, i was at a low point with the game.

I had become the Gray Fox, Master of the Fighters Guild, ArchMage of the Mages Guild, Knights of the Nine Crusader, Sheogorath, Champion of Cyrodyll, Grand Champion of the Arena, I had completed most of the side quests. I was loaded with the most awesome weapons of power ever to be conceived of the game.

So i was bored during Summer Vacation and decided to chase down a deer and beat it with my fist. I ended up killing the poor creature in one punch.
So i looked down at its corpse with a certain regret...knowing that there was no purpose to what i had done, and that i should probably move on and try
and find something else to do.
Instead i ended up losing my mind and killing everything in the Imperial City. I looked around at the carnage and i put down the Controller and walked away in shame.

Oh by the Nine and all Daedra can I go for one day please without someone making a thread about gimping the gameplay?
Im so fed up with it.

I already dislike athletics and acrobatics being gone. On many an other game I have to pointlessly reverse my tracks and get back to some point so I can get to the next level and while Im running around for no reason I always think: I wish this was a TES game, so I would at least get athletics xp.
Well thats gone Just like any other game I can now gloriously run around while nothing interesting happens.

I am personally a tiny tad fed up with all the threads about removing gameplay and gimping gameplay. Seriously.
No levitation, no jump, no teleportation, no charm, no invisibility, no chameleon, no lockpicking, no open spells, forced cooldown for all spells and all those other 'balancing' suggestions I have seen come up. All of those really happened and what takes the cake still is asking for the ability to play on after the main quest is done to be removed.

Argh.
Im seriously beginning to entertain the thought that people just do not know a good game if it bit em up the backside.
As a favorite author of mine once said:

"The perfect hotdog exists. in a perfect, delectable bun and with choice meat so juicy and delicious that it would be a crime to disguise the taste with mustard or ketchup. Its just that people can be trained to prefer the other kind'.

And that is what I think is going on here.

People are so used to restrictive, short, limiting and boring after two playthroughs games that when confronted with what a game is supposed to be they go: Hang on, thats wrong.

Please, please for the love of all that is holy in this world and on Tamriel
stop clamouring to gimp and restrict the elder scrolls!

There are so many Tesco hotdogs out there, why do you have to insist to turn the one choice meat butchers finest dog into trash?
Argh. :brokencomputer:

I don't play F:NV without hardcoe mode, requiring me to eat, drink and sleep and I still disagree with being forced to walk. As someone who also (almost) never uses fast travel, it can quickly become time consuming. It takes too long to get places with nothing happening in between. That's not fun. Nor is it a challenge. It's just time wasted trying to get from point A to point B. And my impression so far of Skyrim is that point A to point B with almost never be a straight line, making things take even longer.

Having your character become tired does not make the game take all that much longer (not if it is done correctly). In FO3, you could run from one end of the game map to the other in less than 10 real minutes. If you used my Tweaks' Encumbrance module; at 60 Encumbrance (with at least 50% health), you could run for 24 game minutes before getting tired . . . which is 6 real minutes at 4 Timescale . . . so you would have to rest once (for like 15 whole seconds) in your run across the map. The biggest difference is that getting tired makes combat more strategic . . . you cannot load yourself up to your maximum carrying capacity and run around in combat . . . and you actually have to think about that sort of thing.

Either I'm not explaining things very well today, or you're just being totally unwilling to give any credence to any of my points . . . but I'll give this one more try. So please pay attention this time, instead of just disregarding the parts you don't like.

1.) In Fallout 3 and Fallout NV (even if you are not using the hardcoe mode) eating food and drinking water restores HPs. And sleeping (in the non-hardcoe mode) for just 1 hour totally restores ALL your HPs and heals any crippled limbs. I found this all to be totally unrealistic (and the hard-core mode wasn't much better). Yet, most of the very same people here who claim that eating, drinking, and sleeping is too tedious, and "ruins" the game for them (and who also played FO3 or FONV) . . . have absolutely no problem doing all these exact same things to heal their character. This is why I feel that the problem is not that this makes the game "too tedious" . . . it is because adding the need to eat, drink, and sleep to survive (in the way that most of the realism-players want this) also makes the game more difficult, since the mods that do this generally remove the unrealistic healing parts, and add penalties on your stats when you neglect your needs.

2.) When done properly, in the way that I have suggested, getting tired and having to pace yourself at times is NOT tedious (unless you try to run when you are heavily encumbered). Here's exactly what I posted earlier (the part you keep ignoring):



This upsets the exact same players who get upset if anyone suggests making the player's carrying capacity more realistic (like down to a measly 100 pounds), or when someone suggests limiting the number of weapons to the number of weapon slots (like it is done in Mass Effect).

i love everything about the elder scrolls, except that everyone runs around like a maniac. i understand there is a sprint function, but apparently you can still constant run. either they should make running(not sprinting) drain fatigue as well as sprinting, or they should simply get rid of constant running. maybe slow running or fast pace walking, but it kinda makes it feel like some sort of arcade jumpy game if people can speed around.

Based on this post, it would be fair to say that you just want to be an almighty god with swinging teh swordz n killin all teh dears with your bare hands, etc, etc.

Or to put it another way, misrepresenting the opposition is getting us nowhere. People don't want to "gimp" the game, they want a game that seems more realistic and immersible. Likewise, the other side isn't after just satisfying their god complex, they simply want more options.

These debates would go better if people were more honest about the opposing opinion.

I have not looked down my nose at anyone here! You are the one being offensive and dismissive of me.

I acknowledged in my opening post that most of the gamers here "seem to want any real consequences, or any real challenge in a RPG."

That was my OPINION! And one that I personally believe is true. I did NOT state that what I want in a RPG is better than what anyone else wants . . . just that I'm concerned with the trend that I am seeing in how TES is being streamlined.

I also stated in that same post that: "Too many view realistic features, like getting tired (or having to eat, drink, or sleep), as something that would hinder their fun (which seem to consists mostly of killing and being god-like as fast as possible). So I seriously doubt that this is going to be in the default game."

Again, this is just my OPINION! Giving my opinion of what SEEMS to me to be the reason for this is NOT judging anyone. It is just my OPINION, based on the posts that I have read here.

The problem is that this forum is occupied by WAY too many jerks, like you, who cannot have a debate without attacking the person. When you have to resort to attacking the person, I see this as a futile attempt to discredit their points . . . because you are losing the debate. Which is childish and petty.

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I'm done with this forum, and, when I do mod my own game, I'll likely just do it for myself, as I'm really sick of being judged by people. I have enough issues in my life without this kind of crap.

I also stated in that same post that: "Too many view realistic features, like getting tired (or having to eat, drink, or sleep), as something that would hinder their fun (which seem to consists mostly of killing and being god-like as fast as possible). So I seriously doubt that this is going to be in the default game."