Actually that's not true. The original "tall elves" were those in folk lore. They were known as the "fair folk" in many old folklore. Technically Tolkien's ideas morphed from them and then most people just make their elves carbon copies of Tolkiens, Bethesda just morphed the idea of elves even further.

Not sure how Mehrunes Dagon's realm looks like Mordor though (I'm saying this because someone had said it but I'm not seeing it anymore, I think they edited it out) just because there is lava that covers his realm. Each Daedric realm embodies the sphere of the Daedric Prince that rules that realm. Mehrunes Dagon is the Daedric Prince of Destruction, thus it makes sense to have lava, which is an incredible destructive force yet also a building force, as his realm. If anything, Dagon's realm is more akin to Dante's Inferno.

Yes, and Dwemer artifacts (in particular, their armor) are a highly controlled comodity. Daedric armor is an extremely rare set of armor. And Cyrodiil is a tropical greco-roman rain forest full of animal cults.

Face it, this is going to be the falmer's armor and their ruins are going to be everywhere and out in the open. They wouldn't create a full set of armor specifically for direnni/aldmer when their ruins would only be found in far western Skyrim (I honestly don't think they are even going to show direnni ruins anyway) and why would ayleid armor be in Skyrim?

The Falmer were a nomadic people. They wouldn't have ruins. They would have lived in caves and such.


EDIT: Plus, the Falmer armor would be Stahlrim armor.

Source for both of those statements. Stahlrim was used by ancient nords to inter their dead. I can find no evidence to your claim that falmer armor is made of stahlrim or that falmer were nomadic.

I was just quoting you as you had the link and it was the latest on that topic. I know you refered to someone else

And thanks for the picture-info

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Falmer

and

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_the_Snow_Prince

Even though Stahlrim was used by the Nords for burial purposes, the skin of the Falmer would work well with the Ice armor. Being impervious to frost would help out while wearing ice armor. By being magic users, a medium armor would allow ample protection, while not hampering their movement.

EDIT: Even though they say that Stahlrim was reserved for the Nord's, Solstheim was inhabited by Falmer, and such they should have had access to it. Otherwise, I'd assume they were unarmored.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8335/elvencompare.jpg

These two armors are not female/male variations of the same armor. They are way to different in style.

Also, just because you have an armor type that is called some of one material doesn't mean it can't comprise other materials and armor types. Its fairly unrealistic to have just plate armor without including chainmail as well, and then even under that you'd expect them to have on cloth armor as well to soften the blows.





Glass armor in TES is not ceremonial. Its not made of the same glass that you would see in a window, its made from the volcanic glass of Red Mountain. Yes, there are metal areas between it to hold the glass together, but its primarily the glass that is meant to be the protective element of the armor. Nothing ceremonial about it, its usually some of the strongest light armor in the game.

If this is indeed an example of glass armor, you can see how important areas of the armor where you might receive blows(like the shoulders) have this material(glass I suspect). Its meant to take the brunt of the attack.

I said pure glass. I'm a supporter of the images shown being glass armor. By ceremonial, I mean it will be used by the upper echelons of the military. The grunts wont be wearing glass armor. It would be for Generals and such.

And to reaffirm the possibility of glass armor: "Glass weapons and armor are an ornate design: light and flexible, although very difficult to make and expensive. Glass armor is a lightweight armor created using rare metals studded with volcanic glass." - http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Glass_Armor#Glass_Armor

The armor we see is metal, studded with glass. I think we just confirmed the glass armor.

And we found his armor. It was steel. Just because something glows with magicka doesn't make it stahlrim, unless every enchanted armor in every TES game ever made is stahlrim too.

And no cities have been found =/ nomads.



That doesn't mean they used it.


Why? Since when has this become stahlrim or nothing?

Yea, Ornate is the word you were looking for. Ceremonial implies that its impractical for actual warfare.



"His body would be preserved in the barrow for as long as the earth chose, but would not be offered the protection of our Stalhrim, which was reserved for Nord dead alone."

You have the quote. Why would the Nords refer to it as "our" if the Falmer wore it themselves. It wouldn't have been an issue. Also, your last statement suggest that Stalhrim is the only material available on Solstheim to make armor from, and its not. Its may be even that the Nords had discovered how to shape the material into armor and weapons before the Falmer did, which would make sense from this account.

In any case, the Falmer have left little to no evidence of themselves, not even ruins or artifacts, just stories told from the perspective of other cultures. There is little anyone can say with confidence about them.

- But then again, a child throwing a sword was able to puncture his briast as chronicled in the Fall of the Snow Prince. Would a child (Throwing) a sword from a distance be able to puncture armor?

- Its a valid hypothesis. Nords think that they still live in the mountains, and cause trouble.

- Again, its a possibility.

- Their bodies were covered in a layer of thin, white-blue ice. Maybe that was all the protection they needed?

- Your right, a child does do that so it seems that he was unarmored.

- It's a valid hypothesis, anything is a valid Hypothesis until it is proven wrong.

- Well see as how the book chronicles that the Nords seemed to be the only ones using Stahlrim at the time, it seems highly unlikely. Not to mention your first point seems to argue against the use of Stahlrim.

- That's my take on it as well.

Don't forget, that is a Nord tale, most likely twisted and exaggerated from the true events, if there even were any. A child randomly throwing a weapon at the elven warhero and killing him really seems more of a tall tale than it does fact. For all we know, the actual events could have been poor and unarmored Falmer refugees that the Nords had hunted down, and a young man(but not a child) managed to kill their reluctant leader with his first blow. Over the years, it was exaggerated into a great battle that could have gone either way, but of course the Nords won in the end.

You know, the Snow Prince was 1st era stuff, right? People back then thought Pelinal's armor was so advanced, it would be almost like the terminator warping back in time to the 1800s by our standards. So, I would not put it past 1 era nords to believe that really shiny metal, likely steel, was some really hot [censored] ice they wore over their skin.

I like to debate for both sides. From the minimal knowledge of the Falmer, other than that they were a magical based warrior, would suggest that having no armor would be the way to go. Armor wouldn't negate any of the effects of magic. You would still be shocked, burned or whatever. Protection against physical weapons weren't needed as the only weapon they used was the one spear. The likeliness of being physically attacked was small.

I guess we don't really know enough to speculate about Falmer armour, but in Fall of the snow prince it does mention that he wore armour.

In the game Morrowind his ancient steel armor minus the helm, and his spear are inside of a burrow that was made for someone else,but given over to the Snow Prince. The "Fall of the Snow Prince" occured in the Second Era and the original book was found with the armor and the spear. During the Second Era Heavy armor was definitely being used by frontline troops during Warfare. Hanin's Tomb contained quite a bit of heavy armor and it was a first era tomb, not to mention the burial of Harald Hands-Free's "bastard" son below a Velothi tomb close to Vivec City.

Is it pronounced [eye-lid]?

That's Dragonscale armour. They've updated it since Morrowind, but you can tell. Check out the scales that are protecting the warrior's groin. I'm 99% sure of it.
It's clearly not a human design... not Viking enough to be Nord, not Medieval/Roman enough to be Imperial. Maybe it's Falmer? (But why would elves hunt dragons, if I'm right anyway?)

Ooh, I'd completely forgotten about that! Although if I remember correctly, Morrowind's Dragonscale armor was just one of the several cuirass styles for Imperial armor. Would love to see it expanded into a full set.


Ay-lee-id is the way I thought it was pronounced.

Is there any place where to see how should look TES Armour and compare with theones there? To me tough the ones I saw in the video reminded me the Ayleid armours....

The idea of 'Elven' armor goes all the way back to Arena, it's been in every game but Morrowind, where it was seemingly replaced with Indoril and/or Bonemold. It has also never been attributed to a specific race. The new elven armor also looks much less like a LotR knock-off than Obilvion's.

Potential types of armor (that is to say armor materials) from previous games include Iron, Steel, Silver, Elven, Dwarven, Mithril, Adamantium, Ebony, Orcish, and Daedric, plus Bonemold, Glass, Leather, Chitin, Fur, Chainmail, and various other partial sets like Trollbone and Dreugh. Any missing from Oblivion or Morrowind have potential to reappear, and there could always be new ones. The armor list doesn't have to be the same as Obilvion's.

Yes assuming every Ayleid ruin in Oblivion has a elven statue with elven armour on him

Just in general trying to figure out the antiquity of Oblivion's Eleven Armour by citing it's commonality is a preposterous hypothesis.
If Oblivion is accurate then even simple bandits can easily afford and attain top-notch Daedric gear. It's like every mage getting Apothesis.

It does not make much sense that "eleven" is a designation when there are 3 types of mer, each radically different from on an otheresis.

well as long as any elven armor thats unique like Lindai's crown or Nenalata crown includes a full set of armor to go with it I hated not having anything that matches and playing on console means no mods to add to fix that oversight lol. I just want sweet looking armor particularly the deadric needs completely revamped (morrowind way cooler looking) they should take the unequipable helmet liches wore in oblivion and make it an armor call it plus full suit with red cloak/cape mountain lords armor or something.