Elven armour-- really ayleid armour?

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:29 am

Looks like a redguard to me, no bluish shade and no red eyes like the dunmer have. The color looks soft brown to me :)

I would very much like it to be a Dunmer, and I think of Dunmer as grey rather than blue, so perhaps that's why I see her has having distinctly grey skin. And I can't make out eyes clearly enough to say anything on them...
Either way, it's a great bit of concept art.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:34 pm

Chances are either the Ayleid armor was just updated to look even nicer or it's Falmer armor. I'm thinking it is updated Ayleid armor due to the eagle helm, which eagles are the signature creature for Ayleids.

Here is the unidentified female armor


That's no doubt the Dwemer armor.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:57 pm

Maybe it's not even elven. Maybe it's an attempt by Imperials to imitate some old elven style or something. Or the Imga, making it in service to the great Altmer.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:53 pm

I think the elven armor is not recent, and was originally crafted using Hist Sap. It could have been explained better in the game lore.If any armor could be said to be taken from LOTR it would be Mithril.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:18 pm

Chances are either the Ayleid armor was just updated to look even nicer or it's Falmer armor. I'm thinking it is updated Ayleid armor due to the eagle helm, which eagles are the signature creature for Ayleids.



That's no doubt the Dwemer armor.


Falmer armor is HIGHLY unlikely... as I've said earlier, they're semi-mythical to the Nords and disappeared a long time ago. There's almost no chance of Falmer armor being known to Skyrim, let alone commonly worn by adventurers. Any that did exist would be a prized historical artifact; and if such a thing existed the Falmer wouldn't be such a myth.


And there is no way that the other armor is Dwemer. At all. Not even close.

I think the elven armor is not recent, and was originally crafted using Hist Sap

Hist Sap? For ELVEN armor? But it's an interesting suggestion...

I like Dragonbone's idea. I think it's either a human-crafted armor inspired by elves, or generic "elven" armor made by Altmer, Bosmer, or Dunmer without specific cultural association.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:15 pm

Falmer armor is HIGHLY unlikely... as I've said earlier, they're semi-mythical to the Nords and disappeared a long time ago. There's almost no chance of Falmer armor being known to Skyrim, let alone commonly worn by adventurers. Any that did exist would be a prized historical artifact; and if such a thing existed the Falmer wouldn't be such a myth.


And there is no way that the other armor is Dwemer. At all. Not even close.


Well I said I'm pretty sure the elven armor is Ayleid, obviously you ignored that part..... As for the other armor, I would bet my life that it's Dwemer, mark my words.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:05 pm

its good to see some LOTR inspired stuff
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:37 pm

Well I said I'm pretty sure the elven armor is Ayleid, obviously you ignored that part..... As for the other armor, I would bet my life that it's Dwemer, mark my words.


The male one is closer to any Dwemer armour we've seen before.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:33 am

Well I said I'm pretty sure the elven armor is Ayleid, obviously you ignored that part..... As for the other armor, I would bet my life that it's Dwemer, mark my words.


In Oblivion, dwemer had a mesopotamian feeling... not at all in Morrowind, where dwemer armor is horrible. I would expect Bethesda to continue the Oblivion's tendency, and that doesn't look mesopotamian to me at all. I don't think it to be elven, either. Why do you think it's dwemer?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:56 am

Well I said I'm pretty sure the elven armor is Ayleid, obviously you ignored that part..... As for the other armor, I would bet my life that it's Dwemer, mark my words.

No, I saw that, and I think it's probably at least somewhat correct. However, I think elven armor is far too common and high-quality to be Ayleid in origin. Maybe extant Ayleid armor inspired modern "Elven" armor, made by either humans or mer. The "eagle" motif is an especially good observation. The Ayleid suggestion is probably correct for Oblivion; but I think it's less likely for Skyrim.

I don't know that the Ayleid were ever historically significant in Skyrim, if present at all. See my earlier post.

Anyways, you suggested the possibility that it *might* be Falmer, even if you do think it is Ayleid. I just don't see that as very possible.


The other armor looks NOTHING like any Dwemer armor or style we've ever seen. I don't know where in the world you're pulling that idea from.

The male one is closer to any Dwemer armour we've seen before.

And it's clearly labeled "Elven" (although of course Dwemer ARE elfs, let's ignore semantics) and is more... "feathery" than Dwemer...

In Oblivion, dwemer had a mesopotamian feeling... not at all in Morrowind, where dwemer armor is horrible.

Well, it did have a steampunk/mesopotamian style to it. The suits had the iconic beards, after all.
They were stylized mesopotamian robots, if you will.

There was a discussion a while ago about whether the Morrowind armor was really armor at all, and not just the shells of steam centurions...
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:12 pm

Chances are either the Ayleid armor was just updated to look even nicer or it's Falmer armor. I'm thinking it is updated Ayleid armor due to the eagle helm, which eagles are the signature creature for Ayleids.


The eagle is not a "signature" of the Ayleids, it's Auri-El, the elven aspect for Akatosh. The Altmer and Bosmer still worship Him. Dunmer... not so much. ;)

And that halberd silhouette that the supposedly Dwemer armor-clad female is holding is very interest-piquing. :)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:58 pm

Dwarven Armour is Ayleid Armour.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:15 pm

And it's clearly labeled "Elven" (although of course Dwemer ARE elfs, let's ignore semantics) and is more... "feathery" than Dwemer...


I know, I was just saying it's closer than the other armour, even though it's obviously not Dwemer armour.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:45 pm

No, I saw that, and I think it's probably at least somewhat correct. However, I think elven armor is far too common and high-quality to be Ayleid in origin. Maybe extant Ayleid armor inspired modern "Elven" armor, made by either humans or mer. The "eagle" motif is an especially good observation. The Ayleid suggestion is probably correct for Oblivion; but I think it's less likely for Skyrim.

I don't know that the Ayleid were ever historically significant in Skyrim, if present at all. See my earlier post.

Anyways, you suggested the possibility that it *might* be Falmer, even if you do think it is Ayleid. I just don't see that as very possible.


The other armor looks NOTHING like any Dwemer armor or style we've ever seen. I don't know where in the world you're pulling that idea from.


Well we know that Ayleid armor is incredibly good quality because there is armor found in ruins that are just as good as they were thousands of years prior. The Ayleids never lived in Skyrim but slaves of the Ayleids had help from Akatosh, who closed Oblivion to cut off the Ayleids from their infinite daedric armies, from Pelinal Whitestrake who was a powerful shezzarine who had gifts from the 8 divines in the form of armor and weapons, and finally, the slaves had help from Skyrim to try to overthrow the Ayleids. With the Ayleids being outnumbered so much they gave up a great fight, killing Pelinal Whitestrake and killing many of those that opposed them but without their daedric armies, they were just too outnumbered to win. I'm sure there were many from Skyrim that took Ayleid armor as trophies, not to mention the ton of artifacts looted from Ayleid ruins over the milennia.

As for those that say the armor looks too different to be Dwemer, the armor sets have changed each game in look. I'm sure that BGS keeps changing them to try to get the armor to look just right like they want. I would bet it's dwemer since I don't see it being anything else other than maybe Falmer armor. We already know what Orcish armor looks like.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:29 am

As for those that say the armor looks too different to be Dwemer, the armor sets have changed each game in look. I'm sure that BGS keeps changing them to try to get the armor to look just right like they want. I would bet it's dwemer since I don't see it being anything else other than maybe Falmer armor. We already know what Orcish armor looks like.


I know they tend to change design, but I really don't think they would ever put GREEN on Dwemer armour. Could be from Valenwood or something, maybe it's a special armour set and not a common type.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:30 am

To me it will forever be the "crappy wing motif" armor. I liked Elven weapons, but that armor was both far too common (weren't they all) and felt completely out of context with the world of Tamriel. I'm not sure what we're supposed to interpret Skyrim's as.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:25 pm

Well we know that Ayleid armor is incredibly good quality because there is armor found in ruins that are just as good as they were thousands of years prior...
...As for those that say the armor looks too different to be Dwemer, the armor sets have changed each game in look. I'm sure that BGS keeps changing them to try to get the armor to look just right like they want. I would bet it's dwemer since I don't see it being anything else other than maybe Falmer armor. We already know what Orcish armor looks like.

If you mean by "just as good as they were thousands of years prior" you mean "crumbling to dust upon being touched", then no wonder the Ayleid empire didn't last.

As for the Dwemer armor, it's always retained a bronze-like and bulky appearance, as is fitting for the general Dwemer style.
This other armor... It's very, very sleek, is clearly not bronze, has something of a "serpentine" or "scaly" appearance to it, and... just doesn't look at all like Dwemer. Dwemer armor *had* retained distinct basic characteristics that this armor does not meet, at all.

Anyways, my guess is that it's some new style. There is absolutely no reason not to add more armors than the ones we've seen so far, and I would in fact be disappointed if they didn't. Principle of exclusion CERTAINLY doesn't apply here; that's not a reason for it to be Dwemer.
See what I'm saying? You can't say "Oh, well it isn't one of the other half a dozen armor styles we've seen, so it must be the other." That doesn't make sense. There's potentially infinite variety amongst armor styles in Tamriel from a lore perspective, and from a gameplay perspective it's a good idea to come up with new ones.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:06 am

As for those that say the armor looks too different to be Dwemer, the armor sets have changed each game in look. I'm sure that BGS keeps changing them to try to get the armor to look just right like they want. I would bet it's dwemer since I don't see it being anything else other than maybe Falmer armor. We already know what Orcish armor looks like.


Well, it could be a completely new armor, don't you think? But definetely it doesn't seem dwemer, stated they are inspired by mesopotamians but with a great technology. Just my opinion.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:27 am

The eagle is not a "signature" of the Ayleids, it's Auri-El, the elven aspect for Akatosh. The Altmer and Bosmer still worship Him. Dunmer... not so much. ;)


Eagle's are the signature for Ayleids, they use Auriel as a symbol of their power over magic, yes the other elves worship him but the Ayleids see him as their symbol of power, as you can see throughout their ruins. The dunmer are the "black sheep" of the family *bwahahaha pun!*

I know they tend to change design, but I really don't think they would ever put GREEN on Dwemer armour. Could be from Valenwood or something, maybe it's a special armour set and not a common type.


I only see yellow/gold on http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6117/art6t.png armor. I guess the shading has a little green hue to it from the camera but that's not actually green, it's shading.

If you mean by "just as good as they were thousands of years prior" you mean "crumbling to dust upon being touched", then no wonder the Ayleid empire didn't last.


Where do you get "crumbling to dust after thousands of years"? There is still Ayleid armor floating around and it's in perfect condition, not to mention you do a quest in Oblivion where you retrieve an Ayleid helm that had been sitting in a ruin for thousands of years and it was made clear that it looks like it was brand new.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:12 pm

Eagle's are the signature for Ayleid's, they believe that Auriel embodies their power over magic, yes the other elves worship him but the Ayleids see him as their patron god, as you can see throughout their ruins. The dunmer is the "black sheep" of the family *bwahahaha pun!*



I only see yellow/gold on http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6117/art6t.png armor. I guess the shading has a little green hue to it from the camera but that's not actually green, it's shading.


Are you kidding? That is CERTAINLY and distinctly green!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:25 pm

I only see yellow/gold on http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6117/art6t.png armor. I guess the shading has a little green hue to it from the camera but that's not actually green, it's shading.


What? It is definitely 100% green. You don't see anything else with gold or grey or whatever you think this shading is looking green. It's just there. It is a very clear green.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:26 pm

Are you kidding? That is CERTAINLY and distinctly green!


Not sure how gold is green unless it is tarnished but I'm done with this debate. I keep saying I would bet my life that it's dwemer, I didn't say it was fact, just saying that I am certain it is but that's me and not fact. Continually acting like I am saying it as fact is getting annoying and I'm done...
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:39 pm

Not sure how gold is green unless it is tarnished but I'm done with this debate. I keep saying I would bet my life that it's dwemer, I didn't say it was fact, just saying that I am certain it is but that's me and not fact. Continually acting like I am saying it as fact is getting annoying and I'm done...


It is NOT gold. It is green. That is clear. Nobody said you were stating that it being Dwemer was fact. However, you are saying that is a fact that that is not green, which is false.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:58 pm

The armor is altmer according to this: http://oblivion.wikia.com/wiki/Elven_armor site, but I don't know if it is the real deal.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:55 am

the elven armour in the recent art vid looks very LOTR type elvish and not TES elvish... because its certainly not dunmer, bosmer... it could be altmer but they are portrayed as robe wearers most of the time. The beauty of the armour doesnt reflect any of the current elf cultures in TES.. so is the elvish armour in TES meant to be from the ancient elf cultures? ie Ayleid?


The new "Elven" armor doesn't really look much like the Elven armor from LotR at all. Do an actual side-by-side comparison.
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