Elvin Dissention

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:09 pm

There are three types of elves. I want to know where they came from. I understand some of the lore behind the creation of the Dunmer, but I am also interested in the Bosmer, and Altimer creation myths. I want to know what these people's believe to be true of themselves, as well as what is the actual truth.

I appreciate links, but this is a discussion forum. Anything you have to say pertaining to the creation, and separation of the Elves is appreciated.
User avatar
Romy Welsch
 
Posts: 3329
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:36 pm

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:53 am

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Proweler/Lore/heritageofnirn3.jpg

It's wrong* but should clue you in a bit. We made a better one a long time ago, but nobody seems to have saved it.

*Wrong as in not comprehensive enough.
User avatar
Carolyne Bolt
 
Posts: 3401
Joined: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:56 am

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:49 am

Almost everyone descended from the Aldmer, if I remember correctly.
User avatar
Steven Nicholson
 
Posts: 3468
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:24 pm

Post » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:14 pm

There is more then Three Elven races as well, we got Four playable in the ES series: Altmer, Dunmer, Bosmer, Orsimer AKA Orcs.

Check the picture proweler showed it's decent.
User avatar
Ridhwan Hemsome
 
Posts: 3501
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 2:13 pm

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:26 am

Are igma mer or beast folk :shrug:

Also but i can remember where i read it but topel the pilot found a fetherd bird like beast race while exploring cyodill any info on that
User avatar
KIng James
 
Posts: 3499
Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:54 pm

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:05 am

imga are beastfolk. the feathered beastfolk info is fromhttp://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/father_niben.shtml
User avatar
matt oneil
 
Posts: 3383
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:54 am

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:48 am

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Proweler/Lore/heritageofnirn3.jpg

It's wrong* but should clue you in a bit. We made a better one a long time ago, but nobody seems to have saved it.

*Wrong as in not comprehensive enough.

Not to mention the icy continent of Atmota.
User avatar
City Swagga
 
Posts: 3498
Joined: Sat May 12, 2007 1:04 am

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:36 am

It basically comes to this: at the dawn of the mortal world, we had the Hists and the Ehlnofey (Argonians are mutant Hist or something). The Ehlnofey wandered around for a bit before settling down, then began to differentiate racially. Those who settled in the northern continent of Atmora evolved into humans called Nedes. The Ehlnofey that settled in the western continent of Yoduka became humans called Redguards. Those who settled in Tamriel became elves called Aldmer. Eventually, the Aldmer began to form their own nations and races: the Falmer (snow elves), Altmer (High Elves), Ayleids (Heartland High Elves), Maomer (mayonaiseTropic Elves), Dwemer (Dwarves), and probably others we haven't heard of yet.

In addition, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/truenatureoforcs.shtml and became the Orcs.

Eventually, Atmora began to freeze over due to climate change. So, the Nedes slowly began migrating to Skyrim in northern Tamriel, driving out the native Falmer. In time, some of them interbred with elves, creating the part-human part-elven Bretons. The Nedes then eventually started to be called Nords.

Some of the Nedes, however, had become slaves to the Ayleids in Cyrodiil. These Nedes, after a while, overthrew and all but wiped out the Ayleids, and in later centuries would evolve into the Imperials.

Some elves in Valenwood interbred with humans. This produced the Bosmer (Wood Elves.)

At one point, the goddess Azura took some Bosmer, led them east to Elsweyr, and transformed them into the Khajiit. According to the Khajiit, this was so that they could help stop the apocolypse or something like that.

Meanwhile, the High Elves of Summerset Isle became decadent and spoiled. A few conservative religious wacks among them left for the eastern region of Morrowind, calling themselves the Chimer. There, they ended up fighting a war with the native Dwemer. The Dwemer attempted to harness the power of the heart of the dead god Lorkhan to defeat the Chimer. This did not work, and they vanished from the mortal world in the process. Four of the Chimer attempted to use the Heart of Lorkhan themselves, and succeeded in becoming demigods. However, Azura appeared and punished them for attempting to make themselves gods. She cursed the entire Chimer people, making them ugly and stunting their magic abilities. They became the Dunmer (Dark Elves.)

There. I think that covers them all. Can anyone tell if I missed anything?
User avatar
CHARLODDE
 
Posts: 3408
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:33 pm

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:25 pm

how did the akavier races come about
User avatar
Mr. Ray
 
Posts: 3459
Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:08 am

Post » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:32 pm

There. I think that covers them all. Can anyone tell if I missed anything?

Yeah, Nedes aren't Atmoran. They are a tribe of indigenous humans whose name was mistakenly hijacked by scholars to refer to all humans who aren't Nords.
User avatar
Julia Schwalbe
 
Posts: 3557
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:02 pm

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:19 am

how did the akavier races come about

same as the tamrielic races, but on the other side of the world.
User avatar
Sophie Miller
 
Posts: 3300
Joined: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:35 am

Post » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:06 am

There. I think that covers them all. Can anyone tell if I missed anything?

Don't mind if I do ;)

It basically comes to this: at the dawn of the mortal world, we had the Hists and the Ehlnofey (Argonians are mutant Hist or something). The Ehlnofey wandered around for a bit before settling down, then began to differentiate racially. Those who settled in the northern continent of Atmora evolved into humans called Nedes. The Ehlnofey that settled in the western continent of Yoduka became humans called Redguards. Those who settled in Tamriel became elves called Aldmer. Eventually, the Aldmer began to form their own nations and races: the Falmer (snow elves), Altmer (High Elves), Ayleids (Heartland High Elves), Maomer (mayonaiseTropic Elves), Dwemer (Dwarves), and probably others we haven't heard of yet.

Wrong. Or rather, not enough "right" :)
There were elves in Yokuda and Atmora, as well as there were men in Tamriel. The man/mer split of the Ehlnofey is the result of the fraction amongst the et'Ada - whether they sided with Lorkhan or "the Aedra". It's not a matter of "where" they finally settled down.
Anyway - both the elves of Yokuda and the elves of Atmora were defeated and eradicated by their human antagonists - either this happened after the "settling down" part of Ehlnofey history, or it happened during the war between Lorkhan and "the Aedra" (seriously, is there a better word for that group of et'Ada? I can't remember, and it bugs me to hell - it definitly feels like I'm using the wrong term). In the later case, the stories would be myth echos of the original event. Or, perhaps it is both.

Eventually, Atmora began to freeze over due to climate change. So, the Nedes slowly began migrating to Skyrim in northern Tamriel, driving out the native Falmer. In time, some of them interbred with elves, creating the part-human part-elven Bretons. The Nedes then eventually started to be called Nords.

As been said, there were already humans in Tamriel - Bretons (or their precursors, the "manmer") are the result of the intermingling of those and the Elves of the region.

Some elves in Valenwood interbred with humans. This produced the Bosmer (Wood Elves.)

Not exactly. How would mixing with humans give the Bosmer horns, or bug eyes? Rather, their "mannish" wives could have been the "forest people" (or whatever they were at the time) of the region. The "forest people" did not know their shape, after all, and would explain the "monsterous" parts of the Bosmer, and also their shapeshifting ability/curse.

At one point, the goddess Azura took some Bosmer, led them east to Elsweyr, and transformed them into the Khajiit. According to the Khajiit, this was so that they could help stop the apocolypse or something like that.

Nay. Azura took some of the "forest people" (again, those who "did not know their shape") and made them into Khajiit. They are not related to elves any more than humans are. According to the Khajiit "creation myth", Y'ffre created the Bosmer out of the "forest people" as well - this is most likely just paraphrasing of the story about how he became an Earthbone and alloved the pre-elves to take (stay in) their elven shape.

Meanwhile, the High Elves of Summerset Isle became decadent and spoiled. A few conservative religious wacks among them left for the eastern region of Morrowind, calling themselves the Chimer. There, they ended up fighting a war with the native Dwemer. The Dwemer attempted to harness the power of the heart of the dead god Lorkhan to defeat the Chimer. This did not work, and they vanished from the mortal world in the process. Four of the Chimer attempted to use the Heart of Lorkhan themselves, and succeeded in becoming demigods. However, Azura appeared and punished them for attempting to make themselves gods. She cursed the entire Chimer people, making them ugly and stunting their magic abilities. They became the Dunmer (Dark Elves.)

Not conservative - the Chimer/Velothi were/are definitely "reformists". The rest about the Dwemer/Chimer is very simplyfied, but I can agree that that was basically what happened :P


how did the akavier races come about

Adding to what Lady Nerevar said, it should be noted that the Tsaesci (woo! I could spell that correctly without checking TIL first for the first time! :foodndrink: ) are (were) the "men" of Akavir, and the Ka'Po'Tun are the "elves". Mythopoeically speaking, that is.

...
Did I use "mythopoeic" right, by the way? Aside from the horrible grammar bending, that is. Maybe it should be "mythopoetically". The grammar Wiki likes both of them. :D
User avatar
rolanda h
 
Posts: 3314
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:09 pm


Return to The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion