Elvish "Forests"

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:26 pm

In Aldmeris, and it's derivatives, Mora means forest, and it's [censored] everywhere. Balmora "stone forest", Sadrith Mora "mushroom forest", Morag Tong "Foresters Guild", Hermaeus Mora "Old Man of the Forest", Atmora "elder forest", Dremora "..." (okay, I don't think that one really counts).

Thus I propose that the semantic content of the term in Merrish minds and on Merrish tongues has much more breadth and depth than does the conventional Mannish one familiar to all of us.
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Tyrone Haywood
 
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:03 am

I don't really know if I can answer that beyond "yeah, probably", but I think "Dremora" does count. They call themselves "Kyn", so "Dremora" is almost definitely a Merrish term.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:52 pm

Something about the Dawn-time reminds me of a forest, at least in the our own mythical sense of a forest is.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:55 pm

Atmora? A forest? Bah, hardly.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:09 pm

This kalpa is almost assured its permanence by Talos, but it ain't out of the woods yet.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:29 am

Atmora? A forest? Bah, hardly.

A really cold forest?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:43 pm

A really cold forest?
A glacial forest, where melted water flees up. The water strives to reach the light of magnus and the warmth to remain liquid, only to be refrozen by the bitter death winds, forming a tree of ice. A testament to the liquid endeavor to escape the tyranny of glacial solidity.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:16 pm

The mythic elven homeland (Which i can;t remember the name of right now) is said to be so urbanised no nature exists there anymore. As such, comming to Tamriel, with its many forests, was probably something of a shock to the Elves. You also have to consider that, in a situation where a language develops without something (say, trees) the translations of concepts can become increasingly complex when applying them to something that didn't exist before. Mora could have been used as a stop-gap qualifier word to explain alien concepts in a recogniseable way, and just kind of stuck. Thats why you have it used in conjunction with so many different things, which in turn create subtly different meanings.

As for the Dremora, that is almost certianly Daedric, not Aldmeris, and as such while sounding similar probably has a radically different meaning.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:40 pm

In Aldmeris, and it's derivatives, Mora means forest, and it's [censored] everywhere. Balmora "stone forest", Sadrith Mora "mushroom forest", Morag Tong "Foresters Guild", Hermaeus Mora "Old Man of the Forest", Atmora "elder forest", Dremora "..." (okay, I don't think that one really counts).

Thus I propose that the semantic content of the term in Merrish minds and on Merrish tongues has much more breadth and depth than does the conventional Mannish one familiar to all of us.
That was one of the fun things I did on my second Morrowind cycle; trying to decode the names of the towns.

Dre-Mora HA! I love that for some reason. I picture Dr. Dre wearing Daedric armor.

Hermaeus Mora and the translation of his name always reminded me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shub-Niggurath, especially the moniker, "Old Man of the Forrest" with Shub's "Black Goat of the Woods"
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:32 am

What would 'treasure forest' be?

I think a Dev hinted that would be important in the boethia summoning day thread...
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:20 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tj2zJ2Wvg&ob=av3e Seeing that Ehlnofex is built entirely on word relationships and metaphor, a really loose interpretation of forest makes sense to me.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:08 pm

AFAIK, languages evolve mostly through slang, and loan-words. Elves live longer, keeping old slang in place (preventing the development of new slang), and are xenophobic. Thus, their vocabulary is very small, and each word must have a broader meaning.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:18 pm

Atmora = Aldmora = "Ye olde foreste"
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:16 pm

So confusing, I can't take any mora this.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:53 pm

A glacial forest, where melted water flees up. The water strives to reach the light of magnus and the warmth to remain liquid, only to be refrozen by the bitter death winds, forming a tree of ice. A testament to the liquid endeavor to escape the tyranny of glacial solidity.
Or there are constant Earthquakes opening new geysers all over and when they shoot up, they quickly freeze.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:56 pm

Or there are constant Earthquakes opening new geysers all over and when they shoot up, they quickly freeze.
Unlikely, unless all of Atmora is a single gigantic volcanically active region.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:09 am

Wasn't Atmora warmer in the past (relatively speaking)?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:45 pm

AFAIK, languages evolve mostly through slang, and loan-words. Elves live longer, keeping old slang in place (preventing the development of new slang), and are xenophobic. Thus, their vocabulary is very small, and each word must have a broader meaning.

I like that explanation :tops:
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:22 am

Mora could just simply be an allusion to the affinity Elves in fantasy have with nature, namely temperate forests. Strangely, the Mer (sans Telvanni Dumer and Bosmer) seem to have no better bonds with the natural world than men.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:39 pm

Mora could just simply be an allusion to the affinity Elves in fantasy have with nature, namely temperate forests. Strangely, the Mer (sans Telvanni Dumer and Bosmer) seem to have no better bonds with the natural world than men.
You have never heard of Green Pact or Beast Tongue power?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:08 pm

I wonder what Dremora means...
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:21 pm

"forest demon"?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:21 pm

I wonder what Dremora means...
Wasn't the pre-OB deadlands (MD's demesne) described as a vast, cold, leafless forest? That would do a pretty swell job of explaining the -mora part of Dremora.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:49 pm

I don't remember any descriptions of any realm (Battlespire aside) of Oblivion prior to... Oblivion.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:02 pm

Wasn't the pre-OB deadlands (MD's demesne) described as a vast, cold, leafless forest? That would do a pretty swell job of explaining the -mora part of Dremora.

I was thinking about that. Excepting the cold part, I think "lifeless forest" could have been a poetic embellishment of "fiery pit of hell" on the part of the Sunbirds or whoever the Altmer send to survey the Principalities.

Anyway, for now, let us conjecture that Dremora means "Lifeless Forest [Men]".
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