Who's to say what James knows and doesn't know? He wasn't born in a vault, and the Brotherhood of Steel knows its history with them. At any rate, I'd say it' pretty safe not to trust a force that arrives by helicopter with guns blazing, led by a man who just shot one of your researchers dead in order to get you to comply with his demands. Not to mention the dubious propaganda on the radio. That post ignores the fact that the Enclave want to use the purifier to genetically purify the wasteland, and failing that take control of its most valuable resource.

Zero ill-intent? Are you sure about that?

Whether James knew about Eden's FEV plan or not is irrelevant: the guy on that 4-chan post claims the Enclave "just want to fix it", as if they're some charitable, friendly group, which is laughably inaccurate and shows that guy's either willfully spreading misinformation or doesn't actually know what's going on in Fallout 3. Thus I didn't need to read past the first sentence of the post.

I completely forgot the Enclave shot anyone when bursting into project purity

Look it up yourself. All Autumn wants is the Enclave at the helm. He doesn't have the "all unpure humans must die" mentality that Eden and the old Enclave have.

...Which yes, clashes with how he'll ruthlessly murder you if you give him the code, and how he shows little sympathy for you yourself. That to me is another example of bad writing, because his behind-the-scenes persona absolutely doesn't match with the one you're presented with. Any backstory you dig up on the guy suggests a good person, but when YOU encounter him in game, his troops are shooting at you on sight and he's picking fights for no apparent reason.

They DO just want to fix it. Had James said "sure ok" and worked with them, nothing would've happened except Enclave propaganda would be spouted that the purifier is online thanks to the Enclave so everyone should love them. Again, Eden is the one with the ill-intent, and Autumn is actively conspiring against him, whereas no one else is aware of Eden's plans, or even that he's a friggin' computer.

Same here New vegas may have had a better story but that "deserted" desert void of meaningful locations was only fixed by mods New vegas was like a 3rd of the size when you include the DC metro. I like to wander from one side of the map to the other and on FO3 i couldn't do it in a real day of playing with being over encumbered, battles etc. You can get across the Mojave in a couple hours. I mean set your way point and walk this is fact try it.

And if you bought New Vegas on day one it was almost unplayable if you remember. My EDE was stuck (lost without a trace) my first couple days of playing and I had to wait for a fix to continue he was holding half my stuff and I am pretty sure something quest related which they also had to fix.

No one is forcing anyone to pre order or buy the game! I'm buying it because I know it's going be amazing and take years to fully explore well worth the money!

No, it's not. Whoever wrote it either didn't understand the plot, didn't play the game, or is just trolling. To me it sounds as if they flat out just didn't understand what was going on.

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Yeah i guess it's hard to tell which has worse writing, considering both games have atrocious writing and were written by the same people.

They don't "just want to fix it". Eden wants it to spread the FEV, Autumn wants it to so can use it to control the people of the Wasteland. They both want it for ill intentions, and James not wanting them to have it is quite understandable.

Autumn might be vastly less evil than Eden, but he doesn't want to use the Purifier to help anyone but the Enclave, or his vision of it.

It's 100% accurate, i don't understand your delusion because i haven't seen anything in the game to prove it wrong.

Autumn had exactly the same goals as 'dad' but dad chose to die instead of working with people who had access to high tech

Well, the logic here is that they were evil. And everyone knows they're evil. Because their armors are black.

Really, haven't you people learned yet that you're not supposed to think about Bethesda's plots? Just smile and nod as it goes in from one ear and out the other

Regardless, there's nothing dishonest about the picture. You may disagree with it based on your opinion of the Enclave, but is it a valid and understandable interpretation of the story? Hell yes.

To add to this, a society of children that have been able to remain hidden and/or defend themselves against deathclaws, yao guai, raiders and super mutants for the past 200 years. The latter of which are their neighbours.

Also, how have the children not gotten sick yet? In the environment they are living in it is a miracle that some disease hasn't taken the lot. I guess that fruit they're eating could be an explanation.

IIRC they have lights right? Like lamps and stuff? Batteries? How did they get any of this? Do they go out and scavenge? Does caravans make a pitstop at a cave full of children with nothing to sell but their macaroni pictures?

I just hope nothing like Little Lamplight exists in Fallout 4. A completely unrealistic place that wouldn't stop a Deathclaw if it wandered in.

I respect your opinion on that 4-chan post (well, the first sentence of it, I can guess the guy's intent and won't bother reading the rest). And completely disagree with it.

There's rocket engines on the USS Constitution, which itself sits atop a bank as a glorified decoration, ijs.

You can't explain that, and this is just the trailer.

The only goal they shared was for the purifier to work. Autumn wanted the Enclave to control the Capital Wasteland. I'm pretty sure that's not what James wanted.

All the four-chantel (why is 4-chan without the "-" censored?) poster said was that the Enclave wanted to activate the purifier. It said nothing about how they were good people.

And James is unreasonable. It doesn't matter if he has a history with the BOS because the BOS were never at war with the Enclave to begin with back at the west coast. They never knew what the Enclave was planning during the Oil Rig days so James have no idea what the Enclave actually are and all that Autumn demanded was that the purifier be activated. James declines and Autumn shoots his friend and he thinks that the best next course of action is to commit suicide and leave his only family member alone in the world with his/her last memory being of him dying a painful death. It'd make far more sense if James freaked out that his friend died, went into shock and after Autumn threatened to hurt more members of the science team or you, the player, he'd concede to his demands and work with them for the time being.

The post does skim over some other details I admit but those details aren't necessarily relevant to the point the poster was trying to make, which was to point out how flawed the plot behind the purifier specifically did not make a whole lot of sense. Which he did accurately IMO.

That implies the Chosen One never told anyone about what happened, or that the NCR/BoS didn't find out later, which is very likely they did since they both captured and killed Enclave soldiers for years, and are still doing it by the time of NV.

(not a response to you specifically Dan)But anyways, in regards to the rest of the picture, here's another copy-paste from that site that cannot be named

Yeah, Autumn wants to control the people of the capitol wasteland. So do the BoS.

Autumn and the BoS' goals are exactly the same. You know what happens in Broken Steel? The BoS distribute clean water with their logo stamped on the bottles, taking credit for James' work in order to establish themselves as the major power in the region and you can sure as hell bet that they won't be giving water to anyone who doesn't support what they're doing.

Now, this is fine to me. This is the post-nuclear wasteland. Like the Pitt, there should be no right answers, no heroes.

The problem is the fact that despite Autumn having the same goals as the BoS he is made the designated bad guy who you can't support, and if you do he kills you for literally no reason. That right there is bad writing.

(I know, right? Why the hell is 4-chan censored XD)
As for the rest, AwesomePossum's comment above just answered it for me.

I know, I never said they didn't I kinda dislike the BoS, though. Not hate them like I do the Enclave, but a hearty dislike nevertheless.

All the big factions, BoS, Enclave, NCR, Legion... they all want control, one way or another.

Oh goodie, time to debunk foolishness!

False. He had no knowledge of this. The only thing he knew was that Autumn was a jerk.

Except for all that obviously clean water in California.

For the water in that tank to have the radiation necessary to instantly kill a person it would've had to be sitting on top of Chernobyl Reactor #4

Delegation not a thing in the alternate U.S. army?

Except they get booted out when they hit puberty.

Which is dumb, dumb, dumb, because..

Except for the part where, you know, IT DOES WORK IF YOU ACTIVATE AND IT KILLS YOU IN THE TERRAFORMING PROCESS.

That never, ever appears before or again.

Are you seriously implying PA isn't EMP shielded? Why did China have any issues with them again?

You can't use stupidity to justify more stupidity.

Why?

Suddenly Autumn cares about life when he doesn't at any other point in the game?

James chose his own fate. How can we not even talk it over with Autumn.

Except there aren't really any pure humans the moment they step out into the wasteland, this was established over and over. This includes the Enclave itself.

Lyons and Autumn have exactly the same goal, Lyons simply has better PR.