Hey all,

I Love fallout 3. It is a great game that I never get bored of. I have always loved the freedom to do whatever you want, and seeing the consequence of making those decisions. The One thing I didn't like was that in Broken steel, you could not join and fight along side the Enclave as you would with the Brotherhood of Steel. I wanted to kill the mutants, ghouls, and raiders of the wasteland with president Eden as my ally. I just wanted to see how many people feel that they would want to be able to to join the Enclave in FO4. I never liked that they where unplayable because the were the "bad guys". Part of the Fun of Fallout is that you can choose to join them.

EDIT:
Just so that everyone know what I am trying to say, IF they are in, would you LIKE TO BE ABLE to join them? m not saying that they need to be in the game, or that they need to be the Antagonist, but if they are, would you like to CHOOSE to join them?

Cheers,
SCRuBSFan

Depends, if it's in the future, then no they have been "killed off" enough times. If however it takes place at or around the same time as the event in FO2 I would believe they had operations elsewhere.

I'm hoping fallout 4 takes place around fallout 1 an 2's time period, seems like that era should be a bit more dangerous

I just want options. I don't want to be forced down one path. I'd love to join/fight with the Enclave if they're in the next game, I'd like to join/fight with the Outcasts if they're in the next game. I just want choices to make.

I'm not sure. Many people feel like moving on and forgetting the Enclave and the BoS.



Off-topic: If you want a game that lets you do whatever you want, TES series is also quite good in my opinion. Oblivion uses the same game engine as Fallout 3.

@Seti18 - Yup, they both use the same engine. (Gamebryo, IIRC)

The Enclave wouldn't be all that fun to play Post BS. By the time the LW gets done with the Enclave even the Raiders and Slavers will be picking on them....I'm sure Ashur would pay good caps for skilled and educated people like Enclavers. If any of thier leadership survived to hold what is left together they will have to recruit mutants (Wastelanders) or maybe even ghouls to survive...sorta like how the Klan is so hard up for members they even take Catholics these days. If FO4 takes place after FO3, the Enclave may as well be just random encounters.

I don't want to see the Enclave in Fallout 4 let alone join them; they've already been the primary antagonist for two games now. Let's have something new please.

they dont have to be an antagonist

but i hope they ARENT the atangonist :banghead:

I understand you don't want to see then in FO4, but if they are do you want the CHOICE to join them? As well as any other faction in the game? I don't like to be limited to just one faction.

I have a feeling that they will be in FO4 though, the Enclave and Fallout go hand in hand and it would be strange to not have them in...




In the last Broken Steel mission, I destroyed the Citadel, meaning they would still be some what strong...

Cheers,
SCRuBSFan

Yes, but people had the choice to destroy the Enclave's base as well.

My sentiments exactly. No matter how you spin it, Fallout will never allow you to play as Enclave, unless they have a drastic shift in policy, or you start off as a 'claver. In FO2, the closest you could to actually join them is as part of an infiltration mission. In FO3, well... they'll shoot you on-sight.

If they have a drastic shift of policy, then they wouldn't be the Enclave anymore. And if you start off as a 'claver, I'll bet money that halfway through Fallout you'll "switch sides." If not... it wouldn't be much of a Fallout game (since Fallout's premise is about the diffiuclties of surviving in a post-apocalyptic world; and being part of a wel-equipped army doesn't really "fit in" with the premise.)

No.

Lets put aside the fact for a moment that to join the Enclave you have to born into it; I don't think the player should be able to join them because I think they shouldn't be in the game at all. The Enclave has already been way too prominent in 2 games already and should not appear in Fallout 4 nor New Vegas.

There should be completely new different villain factions and I don't really care if the player can join these one way or the other. Still, no more Enclave they're dead and buried; let new villains be featured.

Actually, I voted No, but the more I think about it, the more I think FO4 should be factionalized like F03 was, only instead of Megaton/Tenpenny its Enclave/BOS. Because the BOS I remember were the badguys.

So, the Enclave were short on soldiers and etc after the Oil Rig 'sploded. Imagine how much they must've fornicated to reach their numbers in Fo3.
I'm sure they can go rabbit+rabbit=more rabbits again.
I want some form of Enclave outpost in Fo4 but not them as the main enemy again.

And if we start from a clean vault then our character should stay a pure human for a little while.
Shoulden't that mean we could have a small window of opportunity(???) to join 'em?

And if the Enclave returns shoulden't they change their plans a little?
Oil Rig, was destroyed.
Navarro, they left it.
Raven Rock, was destroyed.
Project Purity, was overrun by Optimus Prime-wannabe and Lyons Pride.
Satalite Station, was destroyed and overrun.
Adams Airforce Base, was overrun.
Mobile Base Crawler, was destroyed.

I would change my priorities after being mauled seven times.

No they don't; the Enclave weren't mentioned let alone present in Fallout which arguably has the best storyline in the series thus far. Writing the Enclave off won't hurt the Fallout series as long as Bethesda doesn't muck up the setting.

No. We disagree, politically.

No Enclave or BoS in Fallout 4 please. Maybe some small sideappereances, but nothing more.


No joinable factions either, but only questlines for them -- preferably so that they eventually conflict each other and you have to choose sides.

If thye're in it, and playing an important role, yes, but I'd rather that thye weren't the primary antagonist, and preferably didn't feature in the game at all, in case they end up being like the Daleks: a stereotype of pure evil coming to conquer the world, get wiped out but then return via Deus Ex machina, ad infinitum. The Brotherhood should feature, but should go back to their roots (basically the Outcasts), and shouldn't play too big a role. I'd like the opportunity to maybe do some work for the, however.

well if you have to choose sides isnt that like joining that faction? you kinda contradicted yourself

and why no joinable factions? adds alot of fun to a game, you dont have to join one if you don't want to

This whole "Joining the Enclave" thing will never work, joining the Enclave would be nearly impossible (since they see everyone outside vaults as mutants) UNLESS, you're alredy born inside the Enclave, but that would be forcing the player to be evil, wich could completely destroy the free choices of the game.

I'm not excited about the BoS either since the original Brotherhood is pretty much the same thing as the Outcasts.


What I'm really curious about is wich faction will be the main good guys and the main bad guys, like the Lyons' BoS and the Enclave in FO3.

Just so you know, I mean that if they are in, would you like to be able to join them? I'm not saying they are, or that they need to be the protagonist. Don't vote no because you don't want to see them in the game, vote no if you don't want the choice to join them if they ARE in FO4.

This whole "Joining the Enclave" thing will never work, joining the Enclave would be nearly impossible (since they see everyone outside vaults as mutants) UNLESS, you're alredy born inside the Enclave, but that would be forcing the player to be evil, wich could completely destroy the free choices of the game.

Well, in FO3 you can get a choice to join the Enclave. President Eden offers you Col. Autems place if you put the FEV virus in the purifier. Its just that you die before you can get that promotion. In the BoS dlc, you are informed liberty prime destroyed Raven Rock, a developers way of saying "no Enclave for you". In FO4, if you are a Vault Dweller, you are basically pure human, making you "perfect" for the Enclave.

Cheers,
SCRuBSFan

I voted no because the Enclave wouldn't let you just join them, probably because you're not a "pure human".

The only possible case I can imagine for joining them is getting born in there, wich can force the player to be evil and destroy the FO free choices.

As I said in my post above, You get the chance to join the Enclave in FO3, but die before it happens. And the Enclave could accept you just because you are considered a "pure" human that grew up in the Vaults, away from radiation, disease, etc. just like the Enclave.

They would find out that the Lone Wanderer is not a pure human sooner or later.

The wanderer was born in the jefferson memorial, then went to megaton with Dad and Cross and to vault 101.


Memorial - Megaton - Vault 101 is enough to "Unpurify" a human and make him weak against the FEV.