I helped an Xray tech for 6 years and I'm fine. For the most part.

Boomers for example who in a vault and eventually leave. Pure.

Yep.


Debatable how "pure" they are. They die in Fallout 3 in the ending slides of the FEV insertion.


I revise my previous statement, because I'm not sure what you are talking about. New Arroyo?

Thing is, we know the people of Arroyo were indeed affected by radiation. Because the Vault 13 population and the residents from Arroyo were both used in the "project" experimentation. The Vault dwellers residents suffered from the Curling 13 in the way that "pure" humans would.

While the Arroyo tribals suffered in the way that "non-pure" humans would.

The Vault Dweller was actually the only "pure human" to found the original village of Arroyo.

Later, the Vault 13 Dwellers helped to found "New Arroyo," and yes, there would be pure humans in there from the Vault Dwellers.

However, Richardson never talks about New Arroyo, because the town wasn't founded until after the fall of the Enclave. So I'm not sure where you are going with this.


Did you and your entire family spanning a few generations back live in a sci-fi nuclear wasteland as well?

Have you ever heard Carol's story? The pre-war ghoul from Underworld? Before D.C got hot they were in a fallout shelter, survived the war, and after a few months (or weeks) peoples skin started to fall of and they went through ghoulification. The Boomers left the Vault, then here comes our little friend background radiation, and then they aren't pure anymore. The BoS aren't pure, they were protected during the war, but their travel to Lost Hills got them irradiated. Besides, they didn't have power armor until Lost Hills.

Wow you jumped on that fast. Not even noticing that he was using "radioactive freaks" as an insult. Doubt he felt the need to go into details about FEV and such.

If you look at the ghoul orgins thread I provided alot more about FEV and the Enclave. It's FEV that is the cause of mutations.

If I remember correctly, the Curling Virus killed everything, the Enclave were going to vaccinate themselves.

Indeed. However it kills in different ways. For pure humans, its far more slow and painful. While for "near-humans" its a quicker death.

I am wondering why this topic got derailed into a mutant topic, with FEV, radiation and BoS... It's about the Enclave coming back or not. There is a topic in the Fallout Universe section that is about ghouls and their orgins that goes into all the mutant stuff.

I'm pretty sure the derailment started with the generic "they want genocide, the Enclave are Nazis" counter argument.

People should just learn to ignore any post that has "they are Nazis" or anything along those lines.

Here is the topic about mutation vs pure blood stuff ==> http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1442533-ghouls-and-their-origins/

Curling 13 kills everyone. Mutant, pure human, doesn't matter. It kills the Enclave.

Also, FEV causing all mutation is nonsense. There is not enough FEV to infect the world.

Also, BoS sure did have PA before the exodus.

The fact is the FO world has itself in a canon problemo because they never defined mutation or decided how ghouls created.

For example, we get instant ghoulification in FONV. Some die, some become ghouls.

Enclave don't give a crap. They just want people dead, period. If all they cared about was killing mutation, they would have modified it so only mutants effected. They don't.

In order to be affected by "background radiation" you need to expose yourself to it. When BoS for example left on exodus, they scouted for radiation first.

My point is just that Enclave FO2 era are just a bunch of liars. Well, mainly Richardson.

Not sure if this is addressed to me, but I get that. However, it does kill people in different ways based on their genotype.



*Cough* Eden *Cough*

Unless you were referencing that.


I don't really fully agree with Richardsons method myself. As opposed to Autumn or Eden.

@evlbastrd

And you know there isn't enough FEV to infect the world how?

Have you ever given any thought to many different types of mutation and causes of mutation?

The Brotherhood can wear all the PA they want. But we have seen them in the wasteland without PA, we know they were eating the same food and water as any other wastelander. So they are mutated.

Oh yeah play that care "they are all lying"

Curling 13 did kill everyone, that's why the Enclave developed a vaccine for it. Ghoulification can be speeded up dramatically based on the amount of radiation. Where did you find that thing about the Brotherhood having Power Armor before Lost Hills? And why would the Enclave want to kill everyone? The whole point was to remove mutants so they can re-colonize the mainland. Besides if they wan't to kill everyone, they could do a damn good job with power armor, vertibird, and plasma weaponry.

A lot easier to kill everyone with a super virus than a land invasion


Plus if FEV and all this side radiation still floating around, why repopulate the mainland? They would become mutants.

Oh wait, cuz Richardson is a lying sack.

They don't care about pure humans, there plenty out there, gonna kill them, too. They only care about themselves. That is why they modify FEV to kill everyone, instead of modifying it in FO2 to kill only mutates.

They want everyone but Enclave dead. That is why they had to create a vaccine, instead of just creating a virus that killed mutates. Mutates is just a red herring excuse they tell their people so they don't look like homicidal maniacs.

No, the Enclave are REMNANTS of the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, they want to repopulate the mainland so they can rebuild America.

Oh lawd.

Lets not start an "Enclave is Government" debate again (I agree with you by the way, but evlbastrd firmly does not).

Evlbastrd please resist the urge to start this debate. Please.

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OKAY BACK ON TOPIC


So, the Enclave could still be in Chicago.

That was my theory too. Since I let Colonel Autumn live I always thought that he would lead whats left of the Enclave to their outposts in Chicago.

BoS PA before lost hills: read BoS history.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel

Okay, apparently my info was wrong. BUT back on topic....

I like the idea if for no other reason then to get my hands on some sweet Enclave power armor.

There's no reference to him in Broken Steel though. So that seems unlikely.

"Enclave High Command" is the governing body apparently. Some sort of ad-hoc military junta in lieu of a President or legitimate civilian authority.

So if the Enclave High Command is still alive we might finally win!? Unless we face our greates foe, Bad Writing.

The only "win" the Enclave will be doing at this point is if they manage to survive. Conquest or a resurgence is way out of the question at this point. And will be for pretty much the foreseeable future.

Survival of the organization itself is going to be the primary objective.

True, so what we'll hide in our bunkers and hope the giant plot holes don't find us?

Yeah well based upon your arguments would they not all become mutants?

Not that I believe that, but that is what your argument suggests. Or does FEV and radiation magically vanish?

If care about pure humans, for that matter, why not make it so virus only kills mutates, thus creating a built in immunization?

My argument is that they do not care, Richardson a lying sack, and basically a stereotypical politician. Also kind of proven by the notes on his address to the Enclave citizens, who he basically treats like sheep.