The LW is a cheat. I'm sorry, but, it's true. He has hundreds of health, can inflict hundreds of damage, and can have an unlimited amount of Stimpaks.

Plus, the LW is only a BOS member if you want him/her to be. OP already said that the LW does not count. Plus, as the LW, I can make choices. If I were to be in the fight, I'd add myself to the Enclave faction, and fight alonside them to defeat the Brotherhood.

And no, you can change my mind about the whole LW, canon, and BOS thing.

It doesn't matter either way, but you can't change what is canon. You can believe what you want. However, I am sorry but you do not decide what is canon. The LW is canonly a BoS member. You don't have to include him/her, but he/she is canonly a talented BoS member. He/She is not a cheat because of his skills. Otherwise, how else does he/she do what he/she canonly did? He/She is skilled and is himself. If you claim the LW's strength is not realistic, then how did he canonly do what he/she did. If his/her skills are not a realistic representation of his actual skills, how can we be sure the Enclaves' and the BoSs' skills are an accurate representation of their skills?

1. Why do you get to decide what is canon?
2. Bethesda has crappy writers.

That desperate just to see the Brotherhood win? Fine, I'll spawn ten Enclave soldiers to fight my level 25 LW with BOS T-51b and Vengeance.

Fine if they get L.W. then Enclave get their deathclaw army. Yes, their mind-controlled deathclaws, their thousands of troops, their better weapons vs. about 25 people with T-45d Power Armor and Laser Rifles and a kid in T-51B Power Armor and a Plasma Rifle.

Just add a LW at Level 1 and watch him get owned by ten angry Enclave. The LW isn't skilled according to canon, he's whatever the player makes him, so make him weak. lol

I'm with Zalphon. Why oh why can't I figure out all these freaking geck tabs and icons? *pulls hair out*

That Was The Second Smartest Thing I Have Ever Heard Anyone Say About Anything In The History Of Ever


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Master Of Mastery History
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I died. 10 Enclave soldiers against me. Also, I did not use any Stimpaks. Even with Vengeance, which does hundreds of damage, and with 100DR, they killed me. Pics in a minute.

Edit: I only managed to kill four of them.

In the FO3 tv ad, the LW is not wearing Power armor but the armored vault 101 suit, and with the hunting rifle, not a plasma rifle, does that make it 'canon'?

YES! That and 25 BoS troopers vs. the deathclaw army, the enclave army which has better tech and weapons.

If they wanted to, I bet the Enclave could just bomb the Citadel with their Vertibirds.

Edit: Pics

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8282/screenshot100m.png

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9602/screenshot101k.png

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8933/screenshot102j.png

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6081/screenshot103l.png

Hey, I just realized what else must be 'canon', the LW bombed the Citadel with the mobile base crawler.

Looks ready for anything there. The Pip-Boy looks rank next to everything else though, heh. Try it with the Mezzer, see if you can get any Enclave onside during the fight. :dance:

I couldn't access my Pip-Boy because I remembered that I was using http://fallout3nexus.com/downloads/images/9741-4-1256666723.JPG replacer, but deactivated it.

Their armor is so shiny. I want it! They look so...powerful, ready for action, so majestic.

Your character looks like a badmammajamma, foftw.

That looks pretty cool. Who's responsible for it? Is it available at Nexus? Questions, questions... :blink:

Edit: NVM just seen the link's addy. Heh.

It's the BOS T-51b Helmet and BOS T-51b Power Armor from FOOK2. Pretty cool for BOS armor. Of course, if I wanted to, I could have the Enclave show up in http://fallout3nexus.com/downloads/images/8158-2-1249227387.jpg.



http://fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9741

1. Mind control scrambler
2. Where did you get thousands of troops from? They only allow "pure" humans to join and they were destroyed 35 years earlier. That doesn't leave much time to repopulate.
3. Where did you get 25 from? Also, the real BoS is significantly larger than than the Enclave.




1. I didn't decide what was canon, but we know what path Bethesda will have the LW canonly take.
2. Bethesda has great writers in my opinion. Anyway, it doesn't matter. They decide what is canon, not any of us. We know the LW will canonly destroy the Enclave. They were canonly destroyed before Fallout 3 and shouldn't have returned in the first place.

1. No, we don't. As long as the option is there, it can be considered canon.
2. "[Intelligence]So you fight the Good Fight with your voice on the radio*." Yeah right.

*Something like that. Can't remember that horrible dialogue correctly.

Sorry, but this is "purely from a FO3" perspective. In FO3 they respawn, BOS don't.

FFTW, seti isn't going to settle until you make the BOS fight with the LW on their side. Why don't you go into the GECK and create an exact copy of yourself, meaning make an NPC with all of your stats and give him your favorite weapon and armor. Set up a battle between 10 BOS and the LW, and 20 Enclave (or 15), and see who wins.

1. No, the good path is something that Bethesda makes their characters canonly take, and the originals did the same. I can't prove that they will, but if they bring back the Enclave one more time, things will get very repetitive. Also, chances are they will take the good path. By good, I do mean the path that supports the BoS.
2. I thought that was pretty funny.
3. How did we get into talking about canon paths? :confused: I need to get back on track.

2. It's funny because the dialogue was horrible.
3. You brought up the whole LW canon thing.



Don't have access to the GECK. Still, that's feasible with some console commands.

That is a game mechanic. It is more likely that the BoS have more members. They accept outsiders while the Enclave take years to train a new recruit from childhood. The Enclave are better killers, but are smaller in number and are most likely almost extinct. Even the great Colonel Autumn gave up. I can't wait to see the next antagonist group in Fallout 4.

Sorry I'm not too good with NPC creation or I'd help.