okay, I'n not on the PC and am so NOT spending hours on a console to set this up, so can one of the ever so generous PC users help me out here. First thing is to make a tally of every BoS soldier/knight/initiate, wat ever in the citadel courtyard and spawn the same no. of Enclave there. have several fights to the death and record the scores. Next do the same thing for the same number of fights, but this time make all Enclave were/use standard BoS gear and visa versa.

Find the average and see who's simply the best. If anyone on the PC does do this, pls pls pls post the results in this thread, thnx.

Are you including the Lone Wanderer as part of the BoS? I'm not a pc player, but I am interested.

Ask Cory. He did some tests. Enclave murdered 'em.

No matter what, the Enclave wins. In-game: Enclave. Realistically: Enclave.

lol, hell to the no. That kid can take on the entire Enclave while the rest of the BoS simply make a diversion. BS much?

The Lone Wanderer is a member of the BoS though, so the BoS always wins.

Cory? Who you talkin 'bout? I'm not rly on a first/real name basis with ppl on these forums.

He means Flat Toe Cory. Wonder if he made a video...?

Having the Lone Wanderer would be pretty stupid for a fair fight.

Edit: @ frankis: http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showuser=544766

Not really. The Lone Wanderer is a member of the BoS. Even if the rest of the BoS gets wiped out, it survives through the Lone Wanderer. The Enclave can never defeat him. Look at the canon ending of Fallout 3.

OP, are we looking at this battle in the unrealistic, crappy RPG, BOS fan boy views of Bethesda, or realistic? Because if it was realistic, the Enclave would murder the 19 year old punk.

No, because canonly, he killed their organization. Realistically, the setting of Fallout 3 could never happen just like it did. Canonly, the Lone Wanderer killed off the Enclave. Black Isle Studios made the Chosen One take out the Enclave as well. Why do you hate Bethesda's view? They brought the Enclave back from the dead, where Black Isles Studios(and the Chosen One) put them.

Anyway, any results yet on the fighting between the two?

I agree with what your saying here (you make a really good argument) but the reason I started this thread was to see, without intervention, which group was simply better trained.

Huh.

You see, the thing I like about this game is that the canon isn't necessarily set, as you can do anything. As far as I care, the Lone Wanderer could have fallen off a cliff straight out of the Vault and died.

But, whatever, no one cares about what I think. The OP already said the LW does not count.

Edit: All right. I'll start up Fallout 3, and get some console commands from FO3Edit.

How many Enclave soldiers should I spawn and how many Botherhood soldiers should I spawn?

I think 10 of each would be a fair battle, FOFTW. There's about that many BoS in the Citadel courtyard counting Initiates.

...I'd say no more then ten a side, we dont want a monumental replica of take it back here. and remember to swap the gear, as plasma vs lazer is hardly fair.
p.S thnx for doing this.

Fallout 4 will show that the canon ending was the destruction of the Enclave, again. There is still some canon endings for protagonists. Also, why not make the Lone Wanderer fight Autumn? Two main individuals of opposing groups facing each other would be interesting.

Seriously, there are many factors into the fighting between the two groups. One is their leaders and main members fighting. Two is the number of individuals in each group. Three is technolgy such as armor and weaponry. Four is technology such as Liberty Prime or other large weapons.

Or Fallout 4 will have absolutely nothing to do with the Enclave and they'll drop the whole splinter faction charade and make up new groups.

Okay. I'll spawn 10 Enclave soldiers and 10 Brotherhood soldiers. I will not intervene the battle. I will also take screenshots of what is happening. Be back in twenty minutes.

again, the point of all this isn't to see who could win in a fight, the 'clave would dominate hands down.
if you included the PC, BoS would, after a few hundred stimpacks and a lot of MF Cells, win almost certainly win.
the point of this is to see who is more skilled, more resilient and better trained. gear, numbers and tech means nothing in this experiment.

I never said they wouldn't. I said there will most likely be some written reference to Lone Wanderer and the fate of the Enclave. However, I think the BoS will still definitely be present. If they bring the Enclave back from the dead one more time as a major faction though, it will really get repetitive.

...make sure to do a few fights with gear swapped round....

This is like a sports match, except I don't watch sports.

The results are in!

10 Enclave soldiers and 10 Brotherhood soldiers. Enclave wins. They lost only four men, compared to all of the Brotherhood. Even then, the Brotherhood had the advantage of mountain cover and being able to bombard the Enclave soldiers. However, the Enclave had EW and BG. I'll get the pics in a minute. They are uploading, and will take about 10 minutes.

Edit: Next, I'm going to reverse the roles, with the Enclave having the mountain, while the Brotherhood in open area. Finally, I'm going to have them both fight it out on open field, with 15 troops on each side.

Edit(2): If you guys want me to change any variables(number of troops for example), feel free to ask. I got all night.

Edit(3): Crappy pics:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1405/screenshot82fc.png

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6276/screenshot83b.png

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8999/screenshot84h.png

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3831/screenshot85q.png

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3496/screenshot88a.png

I know they aren't good pics, but I got to interested in the fight, and forgot to take more. Remember, if you want any rematches, variables changed, or whatever, just ask.

Fallout, how much Seti pleads and begs, don't alter the stats of BoS (increase) or enclave (decrease)

thnx so so so sooooo much for all this.
could you like, im not even sure if you can use the console for this, but like, make all enclave have t-45d armour and lazer rifles and all BoS fighters have advanced mkii and plasma rifles and see how that effects the results.
thnx so much again.